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Banks, gangsters and the strange resurgence of cash

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Re: Banks, gangsters and the strange resurgence of cash

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If you don’t get paid interest at a bank, and no brokerage is going to take you on (or you don’t trust them), then what else are your options?

I mean isn't that the reason preppers love gold/silver bullion?

Those are the folks schnookered by companies that sell gold. Aka suckers.

The “real” gold and silver people use it to avoid taxation. The high spreads and illiquidity are less than what you owe the tax guy or your ex-wife.

Re: Banks, gangsters and the strange resurgence of cash

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I guess we live in a time when cash is now a scary thing. This is kind of funny... And makes me feel old.

No this probably is astroturfing a fear of what is being done with cash, try to make it seem like having cash is not normal and only for crime, then government can ban it to gain more complete control on monetary system and all transaction.

Re: Banks, gangsters and the strange resurgence of cash

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The precautionary savings of physical cash may even be on the rise as people realize how easily their economic lives could be switched off in an instant in the increasingly digital world, whether by being intentionally targeted or accidentally disabled with a lot of bureaucracy slowing down the correction. Having enough cash under your mattress that authority figures can't easily take from you is a psychological comf…

Pseudo-relevant anecdote: I wanted to buy a used car a few months ago off someone on Facebook. We were meeting up same day so the easiest method seemed to be cash. I went to the bank to withdraw $7000 and was informed, much to my surprise, that it is impossible to withdraw more than $3000 without 48 hours notice. Suffice it to say, I've been seriously considering the tradeoffs of hoarding cash under my mattress.

Depends on the bank. Most branches are really sales offices. Usually there’s a few that actually stock cash.

Re: Banks, gangsters and the strange resurgence of cash

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But there is also a record level of natural disasters in term of flood and fire. I wonder if an unusual level of cash was destroyed

Fire/water proof safes aren't terribly expense. Also, safe deposit boxes are an option, which have different security tradeoffs from a safe in your home.

A safe deposit box is at a bank, at which point, why not just put your money in the bank?

And fire-proof safes aren't "fire proof". They're generally rated for a reasonable amount of fire resistance - 1 to 2 hours - which is usually enough time for a house to burn down around them and be extinguished (they also only promise to protect paper, for example).

Whether they would survive the inferno of a bushfire, wherein the house is not extinguished, is far less clear.

Re: Banks, gangsters and the strange resurgence of cash

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I mean isn't that the reason preppers love gold/silver bullion?

i've never understood how this would work in these doomsday scenarios. are people going to walk around with scales to weigh the gold for every transaction as well as test the purity of the gold? are they going to mint their own coins? I just don't see how it's supposed to work

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Re: Banks, gangsters and the strange resurgence of cash

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean isn't that the reason preppers love gold/silver bullion?

i've never understood how this would work in these doomsday scenarios. are people going to walk around with scales to weigh the gold for every transaction as well as test the purity of the gold? are they going to mint their own coins? I just don't see how it's supposed to work

Modern banking was also basically invented because of this very problem - gold was inconvenient so you had gold coins with insigna's which promised a standard weight of gold and could be reasonably trusted due to being hard to forge.

Which gave way to IOUs from gold smiths, since carrying large amounts of coins was still hard. Which, well, everyone knows the rest.

Re: Banks, gangsters and the strange resurgence of cash

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I have like $200 cash just sitting in my room for years in case I need it for something that doesn’t take debit or credit like a carnival trip (I haven’t carried cash, ever, in years). I wonder how many others do the same? It adds up I imagine.

probably does add up, but... there's loads of folks with no cash... which might balance it out...?

i've got ... ~$1000/cash in the house. There's an occasional consideration of regional power outages where we might need to leave the area for a day or two (has happened yet, but we came close twice). Mostly useful to pay handyman/lawn guys now and then, then top it up now and then. Have considered holding on to a bit more, but we've never really needed more than a few hundred at any one point, so not sure there's much utility.

Re: Banks, gangsters and the strange resurgence of cash

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But there is also a record level of natural disasters in term of flood and fire. I wonder if an unusual level of cash was destroyed

Fire/water proof safes aren't terribly expense. Also, safe deposit boxes are an option, which have different security tradeoffs from a safe in your home.

Previous commentary on Safe Deposit Boxes:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27106695

Re: Banks, gangsters and the strange resurgence of cash

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Supply chains are disrupted everywhere, wouldn't it be a quite reasonable precaution to have a large amount of cash on hand, like having a months worth of toilet paper, just in case? Running out of either is not fun.

I also have 1 real US dollar that I keep in my wallet as a reminder, it was minted in New Orleans in 1901, it's 120 years old, and can't be inflated away like Johnson sandwiches or paper money.

Re: Banks, gangsters and the strange resurgence of cash

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There is a lot of rumor and speculation about very benign things. 1. Precautionary savings. In a low interest rate environment, there is not the same penalty for holding cash as getting interest in a savings account. A lot of people find it prudent to have a buffer of cash, say enough to cover 1 month of expenses. So cash withdrawn from an ATM but put into a piggybank or under the mattress will appear here as "missin…

The precautionary savings of physical cash may even be on the rise as people realize how easily their economic lives could be switched off in an instant in the increasingly digital world, whether by being intentionally targeted or accidentally disabled with a lot of bureaucracy slowing down the correction. Having enough cash under your mattress that authority figures can't easily take from you is a psychological comf…

Plus with fees ($10/month if balance drops below $1500) it sometimes makes sence to close down your bank account.

Not to mention close to zero rates on savings.

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