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Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by dvt » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 7:00 PM UTC

carlisle_ wrote: post #431

dvt wrote: post #396

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"Whataboutism" is an informal fallacy that most non-technical folks (as in, not logicians) mis-invoke, like almost all other informal fallacies. My argument is not even remotely whataboutism. In fact, it can be even formulated without addressing the "other side" at all: you're making a category error by going from general (party trends) to particular (individual voters). It's simply a bad argument. I only brought up…

I can’t reply with emojis, so imagine this comment is just the eye roll emoji.

I'm trying to be as charitable, polite, and thoughtful as possible with my replies. It's a real shame that HN is slowly devolving into reddit.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by hpoe » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 7:02 PM UTC

datameta wrote: post #394

hpoe wrote: post #338

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You are 100% right, I'm sick and tired of these damn Republicans first it was an unnecessary war then it was discriminating against blacks, not to mention the open collusion with foreign powers to get their person in the White House, now they are actually killing people with their stupid illterate anit-vacc stances, enough is enough I say. We need to do something about these dangerous people that subscribe to dangero…

This is either excellent satire or a symptom of going off the deep end.

Satire? I am offended, this is a real solution I'd dare say a final solution to the dangers of misinformation and people who think that they should be able to do what they want because of "freedumb".

I think at very least we should mark people who are unvaccinated so that other people can know to stay away from them since we shouldn't make innocent people suffer because they are too evil to do the decent thing. Maybe we could make them all wear brightly colored armbands or something so everyone knows who the dangerous individuals in society are.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by elliekelly » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 7:05 PM UTC

erulabs wrote: post #395

elliekelly wrote: post #40

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It also has a chilling effect on journalism (and free speech generally). Even the threat of prosecution for a non-crime serves to discourage others from publicly discussing his administration’s errors. This situation is arguably the reason we have the first amendment: so the government can’t bully you into silence and submission when you’ve embarrassed them. When they’ve embarrassed themselves, really.

I hear what you're saying, but since there is such a zero chance this results in the journalist going to prison - I'm not entirely sure it has any effect - honestly if I was trying to become well-known as a journalist, I'd very much want to be in this spotlight - I'd be trying to find another mess up on Missouri's part to become part of this story. It very possibly has the opposite effect (the "Streisand effect"). Th…

Having criminal charges brought against you can ruin your life. Even if you’re completely and entirely vindicated in court it takes a serious toll on your mental, physical, and financial health. And that’s assuming you (can afford to) have a competent attorney and your boss is understanding of the situation enough not to fire you.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by notreallyserio » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 7:08 PM UTC

erulabs wrote: post #395

elliekelly wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also has a chilling effect on journalism (and free speech generally). Even the threat of prosecution for a non-crime serves to discourage others from publicly discussing his administration’s errors. This situation is arguably the reason we have the first amendment: so the government can’t bully you into silence and submission when you’ve embarrassed them. When they’ve embarrassed themselves, really.

I hear what you're saying, but since there is such a zero chance this results in the journalist going to prison - I'm not entirely sure it has any effect - honestly if I was trying to become well-known as a journalist, I'd very much want to be in this spotlight - I'd be trying to find another mess up on Missouri's part to become part of this story. It very possibly has the opposite effect (the "Streisand effect"). Th…

It’s also somewhat likely, IMO, that this will encourage real hacking, or at least more folks looking for leaked information.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by missinfo » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 7:09 PM UTC

abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

Anti-intellectuallism is fully bipartisan at this point in time. Framing it as belonging to the other, the unenlightened side, is just tribalism and itself anti-intellectual.

This trend is increasingly prevalent in both parties. If we are to solve anything, one has to first recognize the reality of the situation and stop getting lured in by us vs them.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by carlisle_ » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 7:11 PM UTC

dvt wrote: post #451

carlisle_ wrote: post #431

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I can’t reply with emojis, so imagine this comment is just the eye roll emoji.

I'm trying to be as charitable, polite, and thoughtful as possible with my replies. It's a real shame that HN is slowly devolving into reddit.

So polite but still ready to insinuate other people are incapable of making a correct assertion because they are non-technical.

To me it’s just painfully obvious you think very highly of yourself.

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Post by fallingknife » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 7:16 PM UTC

hardwaregeek wrote: post #434

fallingknife wrote: post #329

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> spin the slave trade as sending "workers" to the New World That's not spin. That's exactly what the slave trade was.

I'd firmly disagree. Workers has an implication of voluntary, paid work. There's a reason we have a specific word for unpaid, non-voluntary work. Not to mention slavery extended beyond work. Being a slave was not only backbreaking unpaid labor, but also a whole host of horrors outside work such as rape, family separation, forced breeding, torture, etc. Calling slaves "workers" is a deeply inaccurate categorization. S…

I would associate that more with "employee," with "worker" being an umbrella term. Note that "worker" is also used in a bunch of other contexts. Worker bee, worker thread, miracle worker, etc.

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Post by charonn0 » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 7:17 PM UTC

rubyist5eva wrote: post #163

charonn0 wrote: post #147

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> I respectfully disagree to anyone who thinks Biden is treated the same as Trump was. People respect Biden more than they respect Trump. This isn't Biden's fault, nor the fault of the people.

Journalists are supposed to leave their "respect" for the person they are reporting on at the door. That's the problem .

"Respect" is not an expression of personal loyalty.

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Post by indig0g0 » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 7:17 PM UTC

tdhz77 wrote: post #30

When I lived in Missouri 10 years ago it would never have elected such an idiot. A state that brought decent thinking people like Thomas Hart Benton, President Truman, Roy Blunt and Claire McCaskill. There was a saying what goes Missouri so goes the nation.. this will never be true again. Thinking is secondary to outrage in this state. They have been outraged since Obama was elected.

> There was a saying what goes Missouri so goes the nation. That should scare every American. I can hop on a plane and be back in my country in about 5 hours, but what are you going to do if the whole country keeps trending the way that state is?

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Post by bavent » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 7:20 PM UTC

shiftpgdn wrote: post #425

bavent wrote: post #368

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You will get taxed 50% on the amount you make over X is what you mean, not that your total tax rate will be 50% - if that were actually the case. The top bracket is $400k for an individual and the Build Back Better or whatever it’s called act proposes to raise that tax rate to 39.6% I believe. I’m curious where you’re getting 50% from. Vaccine mandates are a pretty normal requirement at a lot of places. I worked in h…

I think he may be combining state and local tax in the 50%. Which is fair.

Ah good point. I forgot about states with income taxes. But I still think the “50% of my income” number is wrong - he either doesn’t understand how tax brackets work is being willfully misleading to make his argument look better.