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Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by throwaway09223 »

abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

I'm born and raised in California and I've never voted Republican in my life.

There's a really good article written about this subject by Jose Duarte: http://www.joseduarte.com/blog/i-was-denied-admission-to-a-p...

I really recommend giving it a full read. The gist is that higher education is very, very clearly biased against particular groups. "Net detriment" is loaded, but "unfairly biased against us" is a not only reasonable, but demonstrably true conclusion. Negative reactions are warranted.

There's a real problem here within education.

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Post by datameta »

drdeca wrote: post #124
otterley wrote: post #69

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I largely agree with the sentiment that we need more plumbers than liberal arts graduates. One answer, though, is "why not be both?" Post-secondary education, regardless of the specific major a student chooses, does provide a significant benefit to society: especially in the early years, it teaches students how to think critically. Perhaps this skill could be taught earlier during secondary education, but at least in…

Can critical thinking be taught?

Through practice. It can be shown, but learning by doing is the only way.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by nerdponx »

lowkey_ wrote: post #111
otterley wrote: post #69

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I largely agree with the sentiment that we need more plumbers than liberal arts graduates. One answer, though, is "why not be both?" Post-secondary education, regardless of the specific major a student chooses, does provide a significant benefit to society: especially in the early years, it teaches students how to think critically. Perhaps this skill could be taught earlier during secondary education, but at least in…

> it teaches students how to think critically Most colleges have done the opposite in recent years. They provide echo-chambers for emotionally-fueled pseudoscience. I've seen this while spending time at Boston University, Harvard, Brown, and Columbia. It's frightening how little people are able to think or question anything once they've gone through the college system. They become frightened by and angry at truths th…

What departments is this happening under? A lot of people (probably most people) who go to college just learn about some technical subjects and maybe read a couple classic books in gen ed courses. Politics happens on campus, but largely among students and not in classrooms.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by bialpio »

rpmisms wrote: post #265
hluska wrote: post #256

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Three things: 1.) This is an attack against a type of security researcher. Attacks against researchers are always anti-science. 2.) You’ve admitted to feeling alienated by truth. You might want to think that over and ask yourself some questions. That’s genuinely sad. 3.) If the truth genuinely alienates you, I don’t care about you or your feelings.

>Attacks against researchers are always anti-science. that's blatantly untrue. If a researcher is malicious, attacking their person is not anti-science.

I don't think this is true. If a scientist follows the methodology correctly, they are not malicious. And if they are not following the scientific method, then they are not scientists. The trick is to figure out which self-proclaimed scientists, aren't.

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Post by ihsw »

abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

College institutions have to make obvious their choice to pursue justice or to pursue truth.

It can't be both and the veil of ambiguity cannot continue, otherwise support for post-secondary institutions will continue in free-fall.

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Post by andrewflnr »

cratermoon wrote: post #246
Acutulus wrote: post #7

I find the article title kind of curious, given that it states Parson has "doubled down" which suggests that the video the article references is an active effort on Parson's part. It then goes on to state that the video was produced by a PAC Parson created but doesn't give direct input to. Comes off as unnecessarily inflammatory to me I suppose. Having said that, this situation in particular really tests my willingne…

> Is he legitimately without a single person close to him that could inform him of how misguided this line of aggression is, I've said it elsewhere and I'll repeat it here. People like Parsons who climb to positions of power think of security in terms of power, not technology. It's a sort of security-because-I-say-so mindset, which is more like what technologists would probably call "classified information". For a pe…

Interesting interpretation. However, what the reporter did is pretty analogous to finding a classified document on the ground, looking at the first couple pages to see if they were legit, then informing the correct authorities before writing a news story. Which is still something you want to encourage, and is insane to prosecute.

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Post by Angostura »

thesagan wrote: post #228
hackersword wrote: post #184

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This divisive rhetoric is what got us here in the first place; a breakdown in civil communication. The blue team mimics the red team in this respect. I wish we could have a more mature dialogue but I wonder if we're past that. Violent communication is normalizing.

I thought the original comment at the top of this thread was quite respectful and written in a non-inflammatory way. It may contain an uncomfortable truth, but that doesn't make it divisive, other than to the extent that saying "this this true - and this thing is false" is divisive.

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Post by comeonseriously »

ModernMech wrote: post #232
gremIin wrote: post #66

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It's the southern strategy at work. It's not about what is true or what is morally right. It's about not letting *the other team* get any wins. This is why they needed to pretend COVID wasn't a big deal, because otherwise you are admitting that *the other team* was right.

That’s not what the southern strategy was. It was a cynical ploy by Republicans to court racist Democratic voters in the south who were unhappy with the civil rights bill. It worked and they switched to the Republican party, which realigned the ideological tilt of American politics. Not letting the other team get any wins will be known as The McConnell Strategy in the history books, as he has practiced a policy of co…

> Not letting the other team get any wins will be known as The McConnell Strategy in the history books...

Absolutely right. He is Lucy with the football to the Democrats' Charlie Brown.

And he's just so damn good at it too.

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Post by fnimick »

ModernMech wrote: post #272
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #186

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>On one side are the computer scientists and engineers who understand the nature of the problem There are a hell of a lot of computer scientists and engineers who vote republican, certainty not a majority but definitely a large enough minority you can't discount them. They just don't broadcast it for reasons that should be obvious to anyone reading these comments.

I don’t know how they vote or if they identify with any parties, but there is a disturbing, very patriarchal strain of neo-feudalism I have encountered in some tech circles — basically the idea that we need to return to a time of lords and serfs. Of course I have found that when pressed, those who hold this philosophy seem to picture themselves as the lords in this fantasy utopia. Maybe these are just power fantasies…

Techbro libertarians are the worst - the people who think that because some can be successful, anyone who is disadvantaged is so because of personal failings and is underserving of help. Naturally this leads to anti-democratic leanings to protect their wealth.

See Peter Thiel: "I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible."

The freedom he desires is the freedom to use his privilege to oppress others.

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Post by DiggyJohnson »

unsui wrote: post #306
thesagan wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This divisive rhetoric is what got us here in the first place; a breakdown in civil communication. The blue team mimics the red team in this respect. I wish we could have a more mature dialogue but I wonder if we're past that. Violent communication is normalizing.

> This divisive rhetoric is what got us here in the first place What you're doing is called "pearl clutching", and is not adding in any constructive way to the conversation. The way we got here is intentionally by using divisive rhetoric to ellicit "engagement". Traditionally, this has been used politically by identifying wedge issues with the explicit intention to divide people along belief borders. This has been ac…

You’re throwing away your whole point with your last two comments. You started off productive, partisan, yet clear in your convictions (a good thing).

The person that replied to you showed you the gratitude of civilized disagreement and discussion. Then you got mad and unproductive.

I agree with every word of your first comment, but make no mistake about what happened here.

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