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Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

hackersword wrote: post #184
sillysaurusx wrote: post #99

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Please don't make this a partisan issue. I live in Missouri. I've voted for Republicans in the past. You're alienating people like me from being on your side. It doesn't matter that you're probably right. It comes across as you posting this to make yourself feel good, and holy moly the sense of superiority from your camp needs a chill pill. Parson is evil. I'll be doing my duty as a citizen and trying to vote him out…

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A vote can go to a bad candidate if other candidates are worse, isn't it common sense? You also got timing wrong: this incident wasn't known at the time of voting.

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Post by carlisle_ »

hllooo wrote: post #310
carlisle_ wrote: post #188

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This is called “whataboutism”.

There are two parties and you have to pick one. If the argument is that trends on the republican side are so insane you must vote democrat, it's certainly not whataboutism to argue there are also similarly insane trends on the democratic side... you can disagree but you can't honestly call it whataboutism.

> There are two parties and you have to pick one.

Well that’s certainly a dishonest premise.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by pugets »

thesagan wrote: post #228
hackersword wrote: post #184

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This divisive rhetoric is what got us here in the first place; a breakdown in civil communication. The blue team mimics the red team in this respect. I wish we could have a more mature dialogue but I wonder if we're past that. Violent communication is normalizing.

Related: 53% of Democrats and 56% of Republicans see other Americans as being the greatest threat to America's way of life (over foreign threats, economic disaster, and climate forces). [0]

It pains me what's happened to discourse in the last 10 years. I suspect social media has played a role. Many liberals and conservatives frequent these online partisan bubbles where they are exposed to the crazies of the other side (and only the crazies) while dodging the controversies that would make them question their own beliefs.

Surely, if there are foreign propaganda peddlers on social media, then the strategy they follow is not to aid one party or the other, but to pull from both sides until we collapse in the middle.

[0] https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20...

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by danny_codes »

lancemurdock wrote: post #125
abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

I suppose I fall in the a republican camp so i'll bite. College is too expensive for what it gives. You gain a ton in maturity, soft skill building but unless you're in a STEM major, the material does not prepare you for the real world. Depending on what my kid wants to study, I will not be encouraging college. So much journalism is so insanely biased. I respectfully disagree to anyone who thinks Biden is treated the…

> I later got covid and only lost sense smell/taste for 4 days. Didn't feel the need to miss any work.

Bruh. You went to work while you were sick with covid?

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by tialaramex »

walls wrote: post #251
thesagan wrote: post #228

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This divisive rhetoric is what got us here in the first place; a breakdown in civil communication. The blue team mimics the red team in this respect. I wish we could have a more mature dialogue but I wonder if we're past that. Violent communication is normalizing.

You can't have a mature dialog with people who don't believe facts.

This is a lesson from Gödel, Escher, Bach's Tortoise and Achilles stories too. Because the Tortoise refuses to accept Modus ponens (if A implies B, and A, then B), Achilles is unable to convince it of anything. The facts Achilles tells the Tortoise aren't any less true for its stubborn refusal to accept them, but Achilles won't convince the Turtle of them.

If people won't be reasoned with, don't waste your time trying. On the upside, Mother Nature doesn't care what you believe - as hundreds of Americans, disproportionately Republicans, are learning every day at the moment.

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Post by ethbr0 »

Someone1234 wrote: post #55
ethbr0 wrote: post #35

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History is littered with examples of eugenics programs, but that doesn't mean we should ban genetic testing.

A better analogy would be: > History is littered with examples of eugenics programs, but that doesn't mean we should ban eugenics. To which I'd argue we should absolutely ban eugenics because of the history of eugenics. Just like we should ban arbitrary political entry testing because of the history of exactly that. I'm not making an "apples Vs. oranges" comparison, I'm making an "apples vs. historical apples" one.

You're looking at it from a perspective of "must pass the test to qualify"?

I'm looking at it from "test results should be public, anyone qualifies to run."

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by thesagan »

walls wrote: post #251
thesagan wrote: post #228

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This divisive rhetoric is what got us here in the first place; a breakdown in civil communication. The blue team mimics the red team in this respect. I wish we could have a more mature dialogue but I wonder if we're past that. Violent communication is normalizing.

You can't have a mature dialog with people who don't believe facts.

Yes we can. It takes patience and an open mind and usually face to face conversation.

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Post by hpoe »

abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

You are 100% right, I'm sick and tired of these damn Republicans first it was an unnecessary war then it was discriminating against blacks, not to mention the open collusion with foreign powers to get their person in the White House, now they are actually killing people with their stupid illterate anit-vacc stances, enough is enough I say. We need to do something about these dangerous people that subscribe to dangerous ideals.

I think we should start tracking them. Maybe we could force them to attend re-education, it would be a pain to implement and enforce on a wide societal level but maybe we could concentrate them in some sort of camp or something. I think this would be a good solution we could finally be rid of these dangerous ideas, and the people who hold them.

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Post by Afforess »

thesagan wrote: post #313
unsui wrote: post #306

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> This divisive rhetoric is what got us here in the first place What you're doing is called "pearl clutching", and is not adding in any constructive way to the conversation. The way we got here is intentionally by using divisive rhetoric to ellicit "engagement". Traditionally, this has been used politically by identifying wedge issues with the explicit intention to divide people along belief borders. This has been ac…

Be nice. Golden rule. Don’t call bullshit on people honestly trying to have a dialogue in good faith. That’s divisive.

Can you explain which of abvdasker's, hackerswords's, unsui's posts were not nice? I sincerely want to know, so I can argue against you further without being "unnice".
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