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Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by namdnay » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 6:01 PM UTC

cwkoss wrote: post #194

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> barely breaks even in terms of lifetime earnings If you have any evidence to support this, I invite you to post it. Because according to the study below: "Getting a Bachelor's degree adds another large increase in lifetime earnings. With median earnings of $56,700 ($27.26 per hour), or $2.3 million over a lifetime, Bachelor's degree holders earn 31 percent more than workers with an Associate's degree and 74 percent…

Does college actually measurably teach critical thinking? How is that measured? Are sociology majors measurably better at critical thinking than plumbers? I kind of suspect a significant portion of the "college teaches critical thinking" meme is just something college educated people say to feel superior.

The problem would be separating correlation and causation. It’s obvious that higher education is correlated with critical thinking (uneducated adults are far more likely to deny climate change or believe in pizzagate etc)

But maybe this isn’t causality, maybe people with better critical thinking are going to be more attracted to college

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by totalfaggot » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 6:01 PM UTC

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Please don't make this a partisan issue. I live in Missouri. I've voted for Republicans in the past. You're alienating people like me from being on your side. It doesn't matter that you're probably right. It comes across as you posting this to make yourself feel good, and holy moly the sense of superiority from your camp needs a chill pill. Parson is evil. I'll be doing my duty as a citizen and trying to vote him out…

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FAGGOT!

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Post by thesagan » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 6:02 PM UTC

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This divisive rhetoric is what got us here in the first place; a breakdown in civil communication. The blue team mimics the red team in this respect. I wish we could have a more mature dialogue but I wonder if we're past that. Violent communication is normalizing.

> This divisive rhetoric is what got us here in the first place What you're doing is called "pearl clutching", and is not adding in any constructive way to the conversation. The way we got here is intentionally by using divisive rhetoric to ellicit "engagement". Traditionally, this has been used politically by identifying wedge issues with the explicit intention to divide people along belief borders. This has been ac…

Be nice. Golden rule. Don’t call bullshit on people honestly trying to have a dialogue in good faith. That’s divisive.

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Post by ceejayoz » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 6:02 PM UTC

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"The Führer is always right".[1] Robert_Ley, 1941. History has seen this before. It doesn't end well. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%BChrerprinzip

I wonder if there are moderation tools out there that identify who first proves Godwin's Law in a given thread.

Godwin amended his law in this particular scenario.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/12/14/...

> First, let me get this Donald Trump issue out of the way: If you’re thoughtful about it and show some real awareness of history, go ahead and refer to Hitler or Nazis when you talk about Trump. Or any other politician.

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Post by lowkey_ » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 6:02 PM UTC

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> it teaches students how to think critically Most colleges have done the opposite in recent years. They provide echo-chambers for emotionally-fueled pseudoscience. I've seen this while spending time at Boston University, Harvard, Brown, and Columbia. It's frightening how little people are able to think or question anything once they've gone through the college system. They become frightened by and angry at truths th…

You're gonna have to cite some kind of example of what you believe pseudo-science is if you're saying critical thinking was somehow detrimental to someone intellectually. That's actually a hilarious feedback loop of a statement, considering they decided to attend a university. I assume it wasn't to study the art of plumbing?

> You're gonna have to cite some kind of example of what you believe pseudo-science is if you're saying critical thinking was somehow detrimental to someone intellectually.

I said that colleges are teaching the opposite of critical thinking, not that critical thinking was detrimental intellectually.

> considering they decided to attend a university.

They attended university because almost all came from an upper-middle-class background where there is no viable alternative according to their families. If you think they decided to attend university, you're speaking of different types of people — the only decision for them is which college to attend.

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Post by totalfaggot » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 6:03 PM UTC

hluska wrote: post #256

sillysaurusx wrote: post #99

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Please don't make this a partisan issue. I live in Missouri. I've voted for Republicans in the past. You're alienating people like me from being on your side. It doesn't matter that you're probably right. It comes across as you posting this to make yourself feel good, and holy moly the sense of superiority from your camp needs a chill pill. Parson is evil. I'll be doing my duty as a citizen and trying to vote him out…

Three things: 1.) This is an attack against a type of security researcher. Attacks against researchers are always anti-science. 2.) You’ve admitted to feeling alienated by truth. You might want to think that over and ask yourself some questions. That’s genuinely sad. 3.) If the truth genuinely alienates you, I don’t care about you or your feelings.

FAGGOT!

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Post by orangecat » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 6:03 PM UTC

charonn0 wrote: post #134

sillysaurusx wrote: post #99

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Please don't make this a partisan issue. I live in Missouri. I've voted for Republicans in the past. You're alienating people like me from being on your side. It doesn't matter that you're probably right. It comes across as you posting this to make yourself feel good, and holy moly the sense of superiority from your camp needs a chill pill. Parson is evil. I'll be doing my duty as a citizen and trying to vote him out…

> You're alienating people like me from being on your side. On one side are the computer scientists and engineers who understand the nature of the problem. On the other side are ignorant and/or dishonest actors out to avoid being embarrassed. It's all on you if you pick the wrong one out of loyalty to a political party.

On one side are the computer scientists and engineers who understand the nature of the problem.

Which includes Republicans: https://twitter.com/tonylovasco/status/1448672694065668105

If you want to make scientific ignorance a political issue, we can discuss nuclear power, GMOs, unreasonable COVID restrictions, and plenty more.

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Post by q1w2 » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 6:03 PM UTC

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One important fact you might consider is that not all Republicans are the same. ...and that the worst actors held up by the media are not even representative of the average. ...and that moreover, you might consider you are intentionally fed biased information to help reinforce your political stances and hyper-emotional content, because emotional voters are more loyal than thinking voters. Think for yourself. Recogniz…

Too little too late for that. Invoking Godwins law, cause it seems apropos: "As we say in Germany, if there's a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis"

Guilt by association isn't just biased and lazy thinking - it's literally evil and a tool used by evil people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Act_trials_of_Communist_...

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Post by TimTheTinker » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 6:03 PM UTC

walls wrote: post #251

thesagan wrote: post #228

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This divisive rhetoric is what got us here in the first place; a breakdown in civil communication. The blue team mimics the red team in this respect. I wish we could have a more mature dialogue but I wonder if we're past that. Violent communication is normalizing.

You can't have a mature dialog with people who don't believe facts.

> people who don't believe facts

Much of it likely comes down to (a) misinformation coming from news sources they trust, (b) lack of trust in institutions (perhaps for good reason), and perhaps most importantly (c) prioritizing moral values differently than you do.

I suspect (c) is at the root of much of the R-D split, with (a) and (b) being symptoms of it.

Many Republicans and Democrats have non-negotiable moral values they hold to, and they hold their noses as they elect leaders who give lip service to those values but have glaring problems elsewhere. Elections are more about who people don't want in office than who they do want.

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Post by diag » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 6:03 PM UTC

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I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

How can you say this about Republicans when Democrats and their increasingly radical dogma include such blatant anti-science as: any distinction between men and women is imaginary, that vaccines are better than naturally acquired immunity, that skin color determines virtue, that speech is violence, that COVID is more dangerous to a child than forced isolation, that an unborn child is not alive, etc. etc. etc. You're…

What distinctions between men and women are being denied that you feel need to be made?

Have you done any work to asses your biases along these fronts? What makes you think that the immunity after getting infected from covid is better than getting vaccinated and not getting sick at all? I know I don't personally have the time to be sick, I have a family to feed.