I'm glad there are controlled studies that are documented so that we can have this discussion meaningfully and attempt to sequester the quacks. There's a reason why we have chi-squared and T-tests, and an entire branch of math dedicated to statistical analysis for empirical studies. (And please don't quote Mark Twain, someone always does...) That being said, I think the meta-analysis of decades of research is showing…
Twinkies are baked goods that have a shelf life of 25 days. The "never go bad" thing is a Simpsons' joke, not a reality.
Does “skipping meals make you live longer”?
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Re: Does “skipping meals make you live longer”?
#52- It's moderately well-accepted that fasting for short periods such as 8-23 hours in humans is not at all metabolically equivalent to fasting for longer periods such as 1-7+ days in humans. I'd personally believe you could get some interesting (potentially beneficial!) effects by fasting for a week here and there due to mTOR, but we're obviously lacking the level of evidence we'd want to confidently make this claim. Regardless, intermittent fasting can help in other areas, so it doesn't mean it is useless.
- As is always the case, there's some other studies to consider: for example this one a few days ago that showed (in mice!) that fasting periods specifically were what drove lifespan increases, and that caloric restriction without any change in diet schedule did not improve lifespan: https://twitter.com/LammingLab/status/1450121276270514181 (many studies 'accidentally' combine both of them and end up with a partially confounded result. there's also some literature contrary to this, but it's an additional data point).
- As far as fat loss goes, there's some papers that show that intermittent fasting (that is, alternate-day fasting in this case) is worse than eating daily(a recent summary of one from Peter Attia: https://peterattiamd.com/is-alternate-day-fasting-superior-t...). This study precisely manages calories in participants, so one reason this could not apply to an individual is that eating patterns obviously influence how much you eat and of what.
- One of the best points from this thread is that translating results from mice to humans is hard and nontrivial, and there's many reasons for this that go beyond the obvious fact that, well, they're very different organisms. Similar to how translating the proper dose of a supplement may be difficult, translating the time period(s) of various effects and interventions is also difficult!
My takeaway as usual is that science is pretty hard, so exercising healthy skepticism is generally the right option, especially in areas that involve nutrition/diet/biology, since this is even harder than many other areas of science.
Re: Does “skipping meals make you live longer”?
#53My doctor recommended I begin intermittent fasting - no breakfast, light lunch, normal dinner; 8 hour "eating window" per day. I've been at it for about 18 months now. About 8 months ago I started really watching how much sugar and highly processed carbs I eat (not a keto diet, just not going crazy with pasta and sweets). I've lost 50 pounds and no longer have to take my hypertension medication. If this were the olde…
> About 8 months ago I started really watching how much sugar and highly processed carbs I eat (not a keto diet, just not going crazy with pasta and sweets). I would assume that this is the biggest contributor. Being consciously mindful of what you eat and how much you eat is extremely effective. But I say this for the benefit of others, and not to diminish your own efforts; if a regimen is working for you, then don'…
Re: Does “skipping meals make you live longer”?
#54It's hard to reconcile this with personal anecdata, although it probably works because of behavioural side effects and not because of direct metabolic ones. I dropped 35lbs in 6 months using IF/OMAD, but I could easily attribute the ~6 lbs/mo weight loss to just applying any discipline at all to eating habits. It's a bit of a magic feather. I compare IF to religious people tithing a percentage of their income, where…
I can step-out of any diet or behavior change and just say that if CaloriesIn But there are context-specific benefits to different implementations.
I'm not saying you're wrong; you're right; but you don't want to end up stuck in a loop of depression thinking: Everything is The Same and Nothing Matters because everything possible can just be represented by Objects (or No Objects) with Relations (or No Relations) creating a graph on which everything else is generated (graphs concatenated with graphs).
Re: Does “skipping meals make you live longer”?
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
You aren't wrong, but keeping things to an 8-hour window makes it easy to stay within the right calorie range, especially if you pay attention to macros.
Low level of blood glucose before sleep is also very important.
Let me quote: Orexin (/ɒˈrɛksɪn/), also known as hypocretin, is a neuropeptide that regulates arousal, wakefulness, and appetite.[1] The most common form of narcolepsy, type 1, in which the sufferer experiences brief losses of muscle tone (cataplexy), is caused by a lack of orexin in the brain due to destruction of the cells that produce it.
And another quote: Orexin-producing cells have recently been shown to be inhibited by leptin (through the leptin receptor pathway), but are activated by ghrelin and hypoglycemia (glucose inhibits orexin production).
To have a good sleep you probably need relatively high glucose level.
Re: Does “skipping meals make you live longer”?
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Your diet doesn’t matter if in the end you consume more calories than expended- you will gain weight. This isn't true though, it's not the amount of calories you consume but the amount of calories your body actually accesses out of those consumed. If most of the calories you consume simply pass through or get consumed by the parasites living in your large intestine, calories consumed can exceed calories expended by…
you can basically ignore the effect of your intestinal worm and whatever else by just calculating yourself the amount of calories you need to keep the same weight. Eat 2000 calories and lose 1 pound per week? your baseline is ~2500 calories. Gained a pound? your baseline is ~1500 calories. The fact you don't absorb it all doesn't change the principle in any way. It just mean you need to recalibrate. But since you can…
Instead of believing the process and waiting for months to see if it works, you can weigh yourself every day and look at the moving average. That will let you ignore the natural daily fluctuations, but still give you regular feedback.
In my experience, that regular feedback really helps with the motivation to keep doing the calorie counting.
Re: Does “skipping meals make you live longer”?
#57My doctor recommended I begin intermittent fasting - no breakfast, light lunch, normal dinner; 8 hour "eating window" per day. I've been at it for about 18 months now. About 8 months ago I started really watching how much sugar and highly processed carbs I eat (not a keto diet, just not going crazy with pasta and sweets). I've lost 50 pounds and no longer have to take my hypertension medication. If this were the olde…
I hope you don't mind my asking, how hard was it to skip breakfast? I feel like I'd miss it, but maybe a new morning ritual can take its place...
All along this journey a thing that's been going on is while I'm eating less and less, I have to be careful to eat better and better food. I simply don't eat enough to waste much eating "crap." By eating less and less "crap" and needing to focus on nutrient-dense food I've basically stumbled into what is called the MIND diet.
Re: Does “skipping meals make you live longer”?
#58Diet science is chaos. What we all need is not another fad diet or fasting strategy or super food, but rather a process that looks like a flowchart so an individual can achieve certain goals. I'd be shocked if we ever found a one-size-fits-all diet, but there should be some kind of process to design a good diet specific to an individual, using feedback from measurements like weight, blood sugar, vitamin levels, energ…
You're just describing how nutritionalists help people. You can of course apply the scientific method yourself without them but the reason you pay them to borrow their knowledge and experience to help you minimize the number of experiments you have to do to find "your" diet.
Is there a solution to this self-induced (the market gives us what we want) madness?
Re: Does “skipping meals make you live longer”?
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Low level of blood glucose before sleep is also very important.
Please find more about orexin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orexin Let me quote: Orexin (/ɒˈrɛksɪn/), also known as hypocretin, is a neuropeptide that regulates arousal, wakefulness, and appetite.[1] The most common form of narcolepsy, type 1, in which the sufferer experiences brief losses of muscle tone (cataplexy), is caused by a lack of orexin in the brain due to destruction of the cells that produce it. And anot…
Re: Does “skipping meals make you live longer”?
#60My doctor recommended I begin intermittent fasting - no breakfast, light lunch, normal dinner; 8 hour "eating window" per day. I've been at it for about 18 months now. About 8 months ago I started really watching how much sugar and highly processed carbs I eat (not a keto diet, just not going crazy with pasta and sweets). I've lost 50 pounds and no longer have to take my hypertension medication. If this were the olde…
Yikes, that fasting regimen is a recipe for gall stones in ten years. Maybe seek a second medical opinion.