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Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

How can you say this about Republicans when Democrats and their increasingly radical dogma include such blatant anti-science as: any distinction between men and women is imaginary, that vaccines are better than naturally acquired immunity, that skin color determines virtue, that speech is violence, that COVID is more dangerous to a child than forced isolation, that an unborn child is not alive, etc. etc. etc.

You're damn right people are going to be skeptical of higher education when they indoctrinate in the anti scientific cult of leftism. People are starting to smell the rotting corpse of common sense and rest assured there will be a societal reboot soon enough.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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post #66

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

It's the southern strategy at work. It's not about what is true or what is morally right. It's about not letting *the other team* get any wins. This is why they needed to pretend COVID wasn't a big deal, because otherwise you are admitting that *the other team* was right.

That’s not what the southern strategy was. It was a cynical ploy by Republicans to court racist Democratic voters in the south who were unhappy with the civil rights bill. It worked and they switched to the Republican party, which realigned the ideological tilt of American politics.

Not letting the other team get any wins will be known as The McConnell Strategy in the history books, as he has practiced a policy of complete obstruction while in the senate.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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I find the article title kind of curious, given that it states Parson has "doubled down" which suggests that the video the article references is an active effort on Parson's part. It then goes on to state that the video was produced by a PAC Parson created but doesn't give direct input to. Comes off as unnecessarily inflammatory to me I suppose. Having said that, this situation in particular really tests my willingne…

The trick is the realize that US politics today is essentially two groups of people who live in almost entirely separate realities that happen to spatially overlap. Public officials are in the odd state of being observed by members of both realities, but only acting and affected by one of them. The result is that their behavior looks super fucking weird to the other.

It's like watching someone navigate a glass maze that you can't see. The whole time you're wondering why they're taking such a circuitous path. They look like a crazy person to you, but it's because they're avoiding obstacles you can't see.

The reason we have two separate realities is that most of "reality" at the political level comes to voters by way of media. Almost none of us have directly witnessed, say George Floyd protests, abortions, industrial pollution, inner city gang violence, etc. Instead, we learn of these things through the news and social media.

But those in the US have become increasingly polarized. The picture of the world you get from watching Fox News or your Facebook feed if you have conservative friends shows an entirely different world than what someone watching CNN and the politics subreddit sees.

For politicians, winning elections is central. It is the source of all of their power. They know that the way to win elections is to get people on their side to show up and vote. Losing votes from the other side is essentially irrelevant — they weren't going to vote for them anyway. Politicians are fighting apathy, not the opposing party.

So almost all of their public behavior serves to make them appear good to their camp when viewed through that camp's media lens. The way it appears to the other side doesn't matter one bit because it won't significantly affect elections.

Once you understand this, Parson's behavior makes perfect sense. He got caught looking like a dumbass leaking SSNs so he has to do ("do" in the sense of some visible political behavior, not in the sense of solving the actual problem) something. If he frames it as the liberal press are evil hackers, then Fox News is happy to carry that narrative for him. His voters will see that narrative, be satisfied that it fits their worldview, and continue to support him.

The fact that his narrative is nonsense doesn't matter. No one likely to vote for him will ever see that, and those that do see it weren't going to vote for him either. Actually fixing the problem also isn't particularly relevant. Conservative media just wants him to win so won't run bad press if he doesn't fix it, so there's little incentive.

Every year, the US looks more like China Mieville's "The City and the City".

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

Please don't make this a partisan issue. I live in Missouri. I've voted for Republicans in the past. You're alienating people like me from being on your side. It doesn't matter that you're probably right. It comes across as you posting this to make yourself feel good, and holy moly the sense of superiority from your camp needs a chill pill. Parson is evil. I'll be doing my duty as a citizen and trying to vote him out…

“You’re right but don’t say that” is not a persuasive argument.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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> barely breaks even in terms of lifetime earnings If you have any evidence to support this, I invite you to post it. Because according to the study below: "Getting a Bachelor's degree adds another large increase in lifetime earnings. With median earnings of $56,700 ($27.26 per hour), or $2.3 million over a lifetime, Bachelor's degree holders earn 31 percent more than workers with an Associate's degree and 74 percent…

A bachelor degree makes $541,000 more in life time earnings than an Associate's degree, according to your source. College costs on average $26K and $52K per year[1] according to my google skills. 4 years of college therefore amounts to roughly $100 to $200K, which in fairness you have to subtract from that initial $541K difference. Still a nice difference. However, the parent poster mentioned plumbers. According to m…

$120k sitting in a fund earning 5% a year for 30 years will be worth $518k.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Do you expect people to pretend the trend isn't happening in order to comfort you? What does it say about your own values that they are so loosely held that you'd sacrifice them out of contempt like this?

> Do you expect people to pretend the trend isn't happening in order to comfort you? This is a strawman. The parent was saying that in order to have an effect and convince people, you shouldnt alienate them. You can do this without lying or ignoring things that are happening. In fact, the people you're most likely able to convince are people in the middle and by alienating them you're actually causing the trend that…

Republicans have been trying to hold Democrats to a higher standard for 40 years, all the while playing low ball ... it has been a GREAT strategy for them that is nearing end game (courts stacked, gerrymandering, control of state houses, etc)

The "other side" has ZERO capacity/will/desire to ACTUALLY engage in meaningful dialog , but sole goal is to "win" no matter what the cost.

There is no logical appeal that can sway the state-level propaganda and brainwashing that billions have been spent on over the last 40 years.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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post #66

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It's the southern strategy at work. It's not about what is true or what is morally right. It's about not letting *the other team* get any wins. This is why they needed to pretend COVID wasn't a big deal, because otherwise you are admitting that *the other team* was right.

That appears to be everyone's strategy.

Trump had a win on getting covid vaccines made

And another one on setting a timeline for getting out of Afghanistan

His administration wasn't very good at running a government, but they still had a couple wins

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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I can find a competent plumber trivially. Hiring white collar jobs are much harder, especially specialized tech work. I think the anti-college popularity ties directly to the incredible cost of it in the USA, not that its necessarily a bad thing.

> I can find a competent plumber trivially. You must not live in any major U.S. coastal city. Plumbers and other skilled tradespeople are in extremely high demand right now.

If you look, most trades limit the number of new students they will accept for apprentiship programs. Even if everyone suddenly wanted to be a plumber (or electrictian, etc) they can't get into the programs that will allow them to become certified.

Its not just the trades, in my state, we have had an epidemic of retirements since 2008 for teachers, nurses, and police officers.

yet the programs that are required to get your licenses don't accept any more applicants per year than they did 15 years ago. The gatekeeping has to stop, or at least be increased to allow the market to actually meet demand. But the groups benefiting from that mismatch in demand have no reason to increase capacity.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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>It doesn't matter that you're probably right. I guess reality does have a well known liberal bias :)

Well, so do I. :) But you see how harmful it is to the site to do explicit political flamewar. Yours was the only non-aggressive reply out of five.

I don't think aggression has much to do with the factual content of the replies. Just because people reply to you angrily about an issue that is near and dear to them doesn't mean you can talk about them dismissively like this.
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