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Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by JohnTHaller » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:20 PM UTC

sillysaurusx wrote: post #99

abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

Please don't make this a partisan issue. I live in Missouri. I've voted for Republicans in the past. You're alienating people like me from being on your side. It doesn't matter that you're probably right. It comes across as you posting this to make yourself feel good, and holy moly the sense of superiority from your camp needs a chill pill. Parson is evil. I'll be doing my duty as a citizen and trying to vote him out…

The anti-science, anti-intellectualism, us vs them, anti-vaccine mindset that Parsons has is pretty emblematic of Southern Republican governors, senators, and congresspeople. Parsons responded in the expected, knee-jerk 'my political opponents are out to get me' that's been the theme of the GOP for a while now. Even though this security issue had nothing at all to do with politics. This was a consistent theme around Covid and vaccinations at both the state and national level. I think that's the background of the parent comment. Painting Parsons' response in his broader political actions and fellow party politicians' actions.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by leephillips » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:20 PM UTC

arcticbull wrote: post #138

sillysaurusx wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't make this a partisan issue. I live in Missouri. I've voted for Republicans in the past. You're alienating people like me from being on your side. It doesn't matter that you're probably right. It comes across as you posting this to make yourself feel good, and holy moly the sense of superiority from your camp needs a chill pill. Parson is evil. I'll be doing my duty as a citizen and trying to vote him out…

> Please don't make this a partisan issue. I live in Missouri. I've voted for Republicans in the past. You're alienating people like me from being on your side. Every group of humans - indeed, thanks to the central limit theorem, every sufficiently large sampling - is going to be normally distributed and there are going to be folks on either side offset from the mean. However, that doesn't indicate that the mean isn'…

That’s not what the central limit theorem says, and it’s not and cannot be true in practice.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by martinclayton » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:20 PM UTC

sli wrote: post #90

anovikov wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I consider myself a liberal, and i agree with the point that college is net detrimental to society. It makes people waste their best years, teaches them mainly, useless stuff, barely breaks even in terms of lifetime earnings, and makes people bitter because they feel they are not valued by society the way they believe they should. This world needs a lot more new plumbers than new liberal arts majors. It is the societ…

The whole "college = liberal arts majors" is a wildly reductive argument and is extremely common among the types that OP is referring to. It's pretty disheartening to see it repeated here.

The UK government has taken a different approach to all-out anti-higher-ed. attack: cut 50% of the funding for many university arts courses, while keeping the overall budget fairly flat. In the UK media this is seen as an attack on "lefties", either justified or unwarranted, depending on the outlet.

https://www.designweek.co.uk/issues/19-25-july-2021/funding-...

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by nick238 » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:20 PM UTC

hyperpape wrote: post #114

This is a decent article, but it would’ve been so much better if it clearly explained how easy it is to see the “HTML source code”. If the article said “anyone who right clicks the web page in Chrome and selects view source could see social security numbers” it would clarify things for the majority of the population that doesn’t know what “HTML source code” is.

Viewing source is hacking! /s

I got sent to the principal's office (years ago...) for opening a command line and trying to ping a printer that said it was offline but was sitting right next to my station and looked happy. Most people are probably like my former teacher, who will wind up on a jury.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by wayoutthere » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:20 PM UTC

arcticbull wrote: post #150

hnaccy wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It doesn't matter that you're probably right. I guess reality does have a well known liberal bias :)

I really enjoyed Colbert's white house correspondents dinner back in 2006. That isn't what you were referring to is it? [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X93u3anTco

That phrase long pre-dates Colbert.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by bastardoperator » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:21 PM UTC

sillysaurusx wrote: post #99

abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

Please don't make this a partisan issue. I live in Missouri. I've voted for Republicans in the past. You're alienating people like me from being on your side. It doesn't matter that you're probably right. It comes across as you posting this to make yourself feel good, and holy moly the sense of superiority from your camp needs a chill pill. Parson is evil. I'll be doing my duty as a citizen and trying to vote him out…

You're making it about sides. Facts are not one sided. If someone speaking truth makes you feel bothered, that's your problem, not theirs. We should be able to speak to one another without getting emotional about which team someone aligns with.

Republicans are fostering anti-intellectualism which is (in fact) anti-science. From my perspective you'd be alienating yourself out of spite. This goes for Democrats or any political party.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by sillysaurusx » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:21 PM UTC

hnaccy wrote: post #131

sillysaurusx wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't make this a partisan issue. I live in Missouri. I've voted for Republicans in the past. You're alienating people like me from being on your side. It doesn't matter that you're probably right. It comes across as you posting this to make yourself feel good, and holy moly the sense of superiority from your camp needs a chill pill. Parson is evil. I'll be doing my duty as a citizen and trying to vote him out…

>It doesn't matter that you're probably right. I guess reality does have a well known liberal bias :)

Well, so do I. :)

But you see how harmful it is to the site to do explicit political flamewar. Yours was the only non-aggressive reply out of five.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:21 PM UTC

Miner49er wrote: post #132

perihelions wrote: post #94

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Probably no, because all the important alleged facts appear to be public. Expressing opinions (including wrong ones) is not defamatory in the US, and an inference based on disclosed, public facts is an opinion. "X broke the law" isn't a fact in this narrow sense; rather it's an inference drawn from a set of facts. e.g. (Volokh) https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201... /not-a-lawyer

Calling someone a hacker when they are clearly not remotely hacking, and saying they exposed private info when in fact it was the government, both seems like things that could be defemation to me.

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Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by dvt » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:21 PM UTC

NationalPark wrote: post #127

sillysaurusx wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't make this a partisan issue. I live in Missouri. I've voted for Republicans in the past. You're alienating people like me from being on your side. It doesn't matter that you're probably right. It comes across as you posting this to make yourself feel good, and holy moly the sense of superiority from your camp needs a chill pill. Parson is evil. I'll be doing my duty as a citizen and trying to vote him out…

Do you expect people to pretend the trend isn't happening in order to comfort you? What does it say about your own values that they are so loosely held that you'd sacrifice them out of contempt like this?

> Do you expect people to pretend the trend isn't happening in order to comfort you?

There are plenty of trends happening on the "other side" which are also veritably nuts, so I don't find this to be a very compelling argument. The ad hominem doesn't help, either.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by snarf21 » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:22 PM UTC

Acutulus wrote: post #7

I find the article title kind of curious, given that it states Parson has "doubled down" which suggests that the video the article references is an active effort on Parson's part. It then goes on to state that the video was produced by a PAC Parson created but doesn't give direct input to. Comes off as unnecessarily inflammatory to me I suppose. Having said that, this situation in particular really tests my willingne…

This is a "no such thing as bad publicity" political tact. If the case doesn't go forward because, you know, the actual 1st amendment, then the next response will be how he is being cancelled by the liberal media. This is mostly signaling to his base that he is out there fighting for them but the other side isn't playing fair.