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Re: Willingness to look stupid

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When I was younger, I often met people who seemed kind of dim to me, at first, and later found the majority of them to be orders of magnitude brighter than me. It was not hard to connect the dots, the reason they were so much brighter was (in part) exactly because of what made them initially seem dim.. They asked questions, honestly. Not the showoff kind of question you ask to show how much you know, but real, honest…

This reminds me of the simple brilliance of Socrates. He began from the premise that he knew nothing, and would ask all manner of simple questions building on top of the previous answers. It wasn't long before he uncovered how little everyone else actually knew, but what separated Socrates was his honesty: he knew nothing and admitted it. Naturally, the established powers and polite society didn't find this to their…

I don't mean to be that person, but "knowing that you know nothing" is a contradictory statement.

Re: Willingness to look stupid

#462
post #353

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I think you’ve got that backwards - he wanted to only buy coverage for damage he did to other vehicles / people & not to cover his own vehicle. However, sometimes, for some drivers, fully comprehensive insurance can be cheaper than 3rd party only for arcane internal insurance risk-accounting reasons. So by not letting his agent even look at the whole market he was cutting himself off from the possibility of cheaper i…

I am curious to the mechanics of how the accounting situation arises that an insurer would benefit from taking on more liability for less revenue. The entire business is heavily regulated and based on accurately accounting and pricing risk. It seems suspect that a regulator would allow such an obviously mispriced insurance product.

The explanation I saw was that people who buy comprehensive insurance are by and large regarded as lower risk than 3rd party only buyers & sometimes that weighting can tip the balance to make comprehensive cheaper than 3rd party, if the insurer thinks you’re otherwise a low risk buyer.

All insurers have to go on to gauge your risk are the signals available to them & the type of insurance you’re buying is a signal.

Whether this is still true in the modern world I don’t know - I probably saw this advice ten years or so ago on a well regarded money saving site.

Re: Willingness to look stupid

#463

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VP in my org does this, and it really disarms the room. She’s big on that exact phrase of “this could be a really stupid question, but…” She’s also really good about making sure other people are rewarded for doing the same by reassuring someone asking what might be a dumb question as, “that’s a a great question and I’m sure others were wondering the same…” before responding. Great leadership, IMO.

An EVP of Ops of a fortune 500 did this to an entire room of functional experts. We were there to discuss a technical implementation. She kicked it off by saying "Let me start by asking a simple question, why do we do this function?" I am now considered a domain expert. I love this question. It surprises me at how few people start with the why, or even can articulate the why. The room of experts, were assembled to ro…

If it was just a setup to eventually providing an answer she already had in her pocket, is that the same thing really that's being discussed? Willingness to look stupid and earnestness to find an answer?

Re: Willingness to look stupid

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post #268

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Found his LinkedIn and GitHub. I don't know how that helps, but it's more information than before. It looks like he works for NVidia. https://www.linkedin.com/in/dan-luu-37721316/ https://github.com/danluu

That is definitely not his LinkedIn

Yeah, you're right. The thumbnail looked vaguely like the same guy. Combined with the work history, I didn't look much closer.

Re: Willingness to look stupid

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I've seen people getting a blood draw that the nurse wasn't willing to listen to. They'd tell them what usually happens, and how it goes best, and the nurse would ignore them. In the end, every single one of the patients was correct . Anyone who typically had problems with blood draws knew their problems well. Yes, most nurses listen. But there are enough out there that don't that I've seen it multiple times. I've sa…

> I've seen people getting a blood draw that the nurse wasn't willing to listen to. They'd tell them what usually happens, and how it goes best, and the nurse would ignore them. Fair, it could just be my experience as a middle aged, white male coming into play here.

Curiously, the best way I found to get past mental roadblocks, is to simply ask questions.

I ended up with hundreds of parking tickets, for all different makes and models of cars.

I quickly learned you get nowhere telling someone over the phone the ticket isn't yours because it's for a completely different make and model.

I simply asked questions.

What is the make and model on the ticket?

What is the make and model of my registered car?

Oh, they are different, why do you think that is?

Questions are sneaky.

Re: Willingness to look stupid

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I think the sales person was causing the trouble tbh, if a customer knows what they want take the sale don't waste their time with 20 questions at the end of the day we both know the sales person was just trying to upsell the customer something they clearly didn't want. Its the sales persons job to take the hint and just make the sale tbh.

Yes, because every low level Apple retail employee wants to have the following conversation with their boss: "The customer asked for the smallest box so I assumed they knew what they were doing and sold them that." "No, I didn't ask any further questions, I wouldn't want to assume they were stupid. That would be wrong in this narrative." "No, I don't know how exactly how much $$ Apple is going to lose on this return.…

I don't know what you are on about, I assume you haven't worked in sales, but I have and I have done this pleanty and the conversation goes like this:

Boss: did you make a sale?

Me: Yes

Boss: good job

Im sorry but if you work in sales and your boss gets upset at returns your boss is new to sales.

Re: Willingness to look stupid

#468
Kahneman's Thinking fast and thinking slow explains all of this. The fast-thinking part of our brain (the sub-conscious) tells us the "obvious" answer all the time. And it is WRONG. It's only by asking "stupid" questions that we start to engage our slow-thinking conscious brain and find out the truth.

Idiots.

Re: Willingness to look stupid

#469
post #202

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On the other hand, he doesn't spend much time talking about the case that could have him die or the one that could have him go blind. If something like that happened to me, I would probably have a position like the author. There are also a few cases (COVID, air filtration) where people disagreeing with him had relatively serious health consequences.

While this guy is clearly smart, and willingness to ask simple questions is a worthy quality that many people possess, this is an article about what happens when decent intelligence and a good instinct is accompanied by narcissism and delusions of grandeur. Being right about something feels even better if other people thought you were wrong about it. With his COVID action— people disagreeing with him, at first, wasn'…

I was enjoying this article right up until he started shaking his fist at the heavens. As it meandered into rambling he undermined what was shaping up to be a good read. Losing me with foregone conclusion his roommate's hesitance to go all-in on masks was the reason she got, "long-covid".

Seems he glommed onto the mask because it was something an individual can control in the face of an ultimately nihilistic reality, over which one has little influence. Like buying toilet paper despite assurances there is no shortage, myopic assertions on the observable sure seems to make people feel better. Speaking of shortages, the criticisms of n95's stemmed from a legitimate shortfall among medical personnel, despite questionable value to panic-buying consumers. "The Science" I'm sure he cites behind this rationale has been pretty clear regarding how Covid spreads. Prolonged close indoor personal contact. Wearing the n95 at the grocery store or while walking the dog poses little benefit because those situations pose little risk. Given serological investigation puts the rates of asymptomatic infection anywhere between 10 to 40:1, his roomie is more likely to have contracted it from him than from her unwillingness to wear a mask. Possibly while sitting at the dinner table with our author, rolling her eyes as he urgently espoused the virtues of the public N95. We'll never know for certain, but he'll surely continue to conversely reason her disagreement on the matter led to that, "stupid" conclusion.

Given the clarity of hindsight, global epidemiological statistics remaining largely unaffected by public mask policy starts to makes sense. After all if his reasoning behind the mask had an air of truth to it you'd be able to observe at least some impact on infection rates before and after mandates. Yet for the most part communities all followed a the similar bell-shaped trajectory, regardless of policy or political orientation. I see a lot of people pretending this isn't the case, that there isn't two years of data suggesting otherwise, meanwhile the rest are quietly bartering with their gods the others will get over it and move on with their lives. It's really a shame his article blundered into Covid territory, because he was starting to say something worthwhile. Like most conversations Covid, the substance evaporated as we were left with largely emotional appeals. Shame we can't talk about politicized risks pragmatically, trying to fit them into a wider context of facts and numbers. Like, why am I even talking about Covid when upwards of 8M people, largely children under 5, die every year from respiratory diseases caused by pollution? Sure seems the world has other problems. Maybe, like politics and religion, the topic just isn't suited for polite company.

Re: Willingness to look stupid

#470
One of the most memorable experiences of my post-doc was working with the venerable Joachim Cuntz. It was often amusing to attend talks with him as he'd usually blast the speaker with a barrage of seemingly rudimentary questions.

This trait is shared among almost all of the mathematicians I've respected deeply and it's always astounding how the most trivial lines of questioning can lead to deep, profound realizations.

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