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Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by teachrdan » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:06 PM UTC

anovikov wrote: post #62

abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

I consider myself a liberal, and i agree with the point that college is net detrimental to society. It makes people waste their best years, teaches them mainly, useless stuff, barely breaks even in terms of lifetime earnings, and makes people bitter because they feel they are not valued by society the way they believe they should. This world needs a lot more new plumbers than new liberal arts majors. It is the societ…

> barely breaks even in terms of lifetime earnings

If you have any evidence to support this, I invite you to post it. Because according to the study below:

"Getting a Bachelor's degree adds another large increase in lifetime earnings. With median earnings of $56,700 ($27.26 per hour), or $2.3 million over a lifetime, Bachelor's degree holders earn 31 percent more than workers with an Associate's degree and 74 percent more than those with just a high school diploma."

But more importantly, college should NOT be job training. It should be a place to learn critical thinking, to experiment in a safe environment, and a place to learn what you even want to learn about. A college graduate should be able to learn what they need to learn, including pursuing a career in the trades.

I agree that we need more plumbers. But the idea that young adults -- in practice, working class and poor ones -- should be denied the opportunity to learn and grow and instead be offered trade school or nothing, is profoundly unfair.

This is not to say that we couldn't improve the status quo. We could make college less expensive or free, consolidate degrees (getting a law degree in 4 or 5 years of college rather than 4 years of college + 3 more of law school), etc. But a blanket statement that "college is net detrimental to society" seems ignorant even in the kindest light.

https://www2.ed.gov/policy/highered/reg/hearulemaking/2011/c...

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by Animats » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:06 PM UTC

notreallyserio wrote: post #10

Acutulus wrote: post #7

I find the article title kind of curious, given that it states Parson has "doubled down" which suggests that the video the article references is an active effort on Parson's part. It then goes on to state that the video was produced by a PAC Parson created but doesn't give direct input to. Comes off as unnecessarily inflammatory to me I suppose. Having said that, this situation in particular really tests my willingne…

It sounds like he’s part of the Strong Man party and cannot be allowed to be wrong. I don’t think it’s purely political, some people just can’t be reasoned with.

"The Führer is always right".[1] Robert_Ley, 1941.

History has seen this before. It doesn't end well.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%BChrerprinzip

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by dijit » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:07 PM UTC

sli wrote: post #90

anovikov wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I consider myself a liberal, and i agree with the point that college is net detrimental to society. It makes people waste their best years, teaches them mainly, useless stuff, barely breaks even in terms of lifetime earnings, and makes people bitter because they feel they are not valued by society the way they believe they should. This world needs a lot more new plumbers than new liberal arts majors. It is the societ…

The whole "college = liberal arts majors" is a wildly reductive argument and is extremely common among the types that OP is referring to. It's pretty disheartening to see it repeated here.

Do you have any actual numbers on BA vs BC (or BA vs BSc)?

There's value in the arts, but I think it is overrepresented in universities.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by spaetzleesser » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:07 PM UTC

cde-v wrote: post #63

abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

You're just a lab rat if you take the vaccine before it has had 209,348 years of trials.

People here aren’t good at detecting sarcasm.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by panzagl » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:08 PM UTC

bogwog wrote: post #29

This is like perfect viral content for our demographic. It's in the "rage" category (the most engaging type of content), and it is a black-and-white situation with no gray area whatsoever.

Young(ish) people can shake fists at clouds too!

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:08 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #49

inetknght wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> some people just can’t be reasoned with. It's been eye opening to see and recognize such people on the internet over the past 10 years or so. It's been a lot more scary to be able to recognize the same character flaw in real people I'm physically around.

I highly recommend this [1] book on the topic as we navigate a post-truth world. The Narcissist's Prayer is also worth a read [2]. It's not all narcissism though; it can be difficult to reason with deeply ingrained belief systems when there is a lack of critical thinking and challenges to the Id and ego, not to mention innate tribalism. EDIT: Agree with the deleted comment that The Narcissist's Prayer could also be T…

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Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by tyingq » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:08 PM UTC

His twitter account is in a funny state now. He got a lot of negative comments back when initially announcing this. Then doubled-down and sent another tweet about how it was more than just "view-source" (it wasn't.)

Then, he started tweeting/re-tweeting unrelated stuff to try and bury it, but people kept replying to those and re-raising the issue.

I look forward to the ACLU handing him his ass.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by anovikov » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:08 PM UTC

sli wrote: post #90

anovikov wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I consider myself a liberal, and i agree with the point that college is net detrimental to society. It makes people waste their best years, teaches them mainly, useless stuff, barely breaks even in terms of lifetime earnings, and makes people bitter because they feel they are not valued by society the way they believe they should. This world needs a lot more new plumbers than new liberal arts majors. It is the societ…

The whole "college = liberal arts majors" is a wildly reductive argument and is extremely common among the types that OP is referring to. It's pretty disheartening to see it repeated here.

People who take up STEM, are of course of different type, and for them, surely college is a net benefit. But that kind of people would go to college even 50 or 70 years ago already. All paranormal increase of college admissions in the last decades came from precisely those people who are getting those bullshit degrees just because they are the only ones they can get, and they feel compelled to get some kind of a college degree.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by HEmanZ » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:09 PM UTC

zz865 wrote: post #67

abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

I think college is a good thing, but right now I think its 70% of kids go to college which is a complete waste of time and money for most of them.

It is not 70% of kids, and this number is not hard to look up. It has been trending around 30% for enrollment into 4-year institutions. Of those, ~60% complete the degree within 6 years.

I agree that most students who got to college don't make good use of the time or investment, but it is still a minority of people who even attempt college.

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d18/tables/dt18_302.60.a... https://nces.ed.gov/FastFacts/display.asp?id=40

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by prions » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:09 PM UTC

anovikov wrote: post #62

abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

I consider myself a liberal, and i agree with the point that college is net detrimental to society. It makes people waste their best years, teaches them mainly, useless stuff, barely breaks even in terms of lifetime earnings, and makes people bitter because they feel they are not valued by society the way they believe they should. This world needs a lot more new plumbers than new liberal arts majors. It is the societ…

Youre underestimating the value of a college degree. Research like [1] shows that degree holders have significantly more lifetime earnings than high school. You also miss how the democratization of education has benefited our society and helped lift millions out of subsistence lifestyles and class lock-in.

"This world needs a lot more new plumbers than new liberal arts majors"

This is a completely subjective and politically charged statement. I think the world needs more informed and educated critical thinkers. Its curious how the 90s led to a collapse in liberal arts departments and enrollments, and 20 years later we're now in an era of disinformation at massive scale.

1. https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/research-summaries/education...