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Roku tells customers it is unable to strike a deal with YouTube

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Re: Roku tells customers it is unable to strike a deal with YouTube

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Post by astral303 »

Fuck YouTube and their AppleTV app. It's exhibit #1 in anticompetitive behavior -- ship a shitty, subpar app, for a premium service.

I wish that Apple were to prohibit any custom video playing controls on AppleTV, but this crowd will roast Apple alive for yet another "walled garden" move. Please Apple, put up walls against a shitty video streaming experience.

After the steaaming garbage pile that is the YouTube app on AppleTV, YouTube and Google has lost all respect in my eyes.

Go Roku.

Re: Roku tells customers it is unable to strike a deal with YouTube

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Post by jefftk »

pkulak wrote: post #177
inetknght wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a tech consumer has to know that just over $100 does not cover the cost of the hardware. Nonsense. A raspberry pi costs far less and is, arguably, just as capable.

A raspberry pi will do 4k, HDR AV1 and h265, and includes a remote, case, storage, power supply and HDMI cable?

A raspberry pi 4 will, and the accessories are relatively cheap: https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/build-the-ultimate-4k-home-...

Re: Roku tells customers it is unable to strike a deal with YouTube

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Post by supernovae »

inetknght wrote: post #173
supernovae wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it was just as capable, then people would buy Raspberry Pi's. The problem isn't hardware capability, it's the ecosystem on top of it. Pi doesn't have a robust tv platform and app market system that is built around a remote control. Sure, you can run plex on it but even plex has long abandoned its streaming app platform and decided to roll its own TV service instead... Part of me wishes that Plex would have stuck w…

> The problem isn't hardware capability, it's the ecosystem on top of it. The parent comment stated that the $100 doesn't cover the cost of the hardware. I disagree. I do think it is perhaps a more reasonable statement to say $100 doesn't cover the cost of the hardware and the software platform on top of it . I don't think it's right to shove ads down customer's throat on a product that they've paid money for. Whethe…

I have to chuckle because Google's entire existance has been based on advertising revenue so if you don't like ad supported "Fremium" or "discounted" services, this really is a moot discussion.

Re: Roku tells customers it is unable to strike a deal with YouTube

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Post by whoknowswhat11 »

supernovae wrote: post #163
whoknowswhat11 wrote: post #100

Funny seeing all the Roku love here. What I've observed when comparing Roku to other devices. I buy my apple TV -> I get basically no ads, they don't seem to charge that much to allow folks like youtube tv to have an app on the platform Roku -> I buy and own my device. They seem to sell advertising all over the device I paid for. They seem to be charging companies for buttons and/or to be able to put an app on the ro…

The entire apple ecosystem is extremely expensive to be on - asking 30% of revenue share - not much for major networks since they don't have to invent it themselves, but a hefty tax to consumers in comparison to non apple devices. The funny part is, they charge a premium on both ends and people like it. (and i do believe Apple had to fight similar battles on youtube placement...)

This is really totally false.

Youtube TV - Apple is not taking 30% - that's a lie basically as an example. Most of these major players (Youtube TV etc) you can sign up just on a regular website. Apple only takes a cut of these subscriptions IF you use their platform to enable them.

If you do use them, the % is only 15% after 1 year.

Either way - the outcome is I as a user have good access to lots of good content, no crap ads, no advertising buttons I don't want and more. So it's a win for me.

I'd really like Roku to be transparent in terms of what they are asking for from Youtube. In the past, they refused to support encoding Youtube TV was using etc.

Re: Roku tells customers it is unable to strike a deal with YouTube

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Post by pkulak »

jefftk wrote: post #182
pkulak wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A raspberry pi will do 4k, HDR AV1 and h265, and includes a remote, case, storage, power supply and HDMI cable?

A raspberry pi 4 will, and the accessories are relatively cheap: https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/build-the-ultimate-4k-home-...

I'm still seeing $65 for the Pi, then adding up everything else you need takes you over $100 easily.

Re: Roku tells customers it is unable to strike a deal with YouTube

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Post by jefftk »

015a wrote: post #62
kritiko wrote: post #54

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"middle managers" are not negotiating these partnership deals. I don't really buy the compression algorithm thing either - surely they make more off of ads than the savings that would be generated from better compression. pretty sure this is just hardball over revenue sharing, data sharing, and technical requirements...

Sure they are. In mega-corporations like Alphabet, even the head of YouTube is a middle-manager.

The term "middle manager" doesn't mean "someone who has a boss and also has reports".

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_management

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