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Re: Does “skipping meals make you live longer”?

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Diet science is chaos.

What we all need is not another fad diet or fasting strategy or super food, but rather a process that looks like a flowchart so an individual can achieve certain goals. I'd be shocked if we ever found a one-size-fits-all diet, but there should be some kind of process to design a good diet specific to an individual, using feedback from measurements like weight, blood sugar, vitamin levels, energy levels and mood.

Want to lose weight? Try fasting for a month. Then stop and try calorie restriction for a month. Was one easier? Did one help you lose more weight? Make adjustments to the more effective one and keep going.

Want to have more energy? Pick a group of healthy foods eat only them for a week. Then, pick a separate group and do that for a week. Journal every day so you can make comparisons about how you feel and how much energy you have.

Wondering what foods are making you feel tired/sick? Pick a handful of vegetables and eat them for a week, then slowly add in the usual suspects that might be sapping your energy. When you find the food that's slowing you down, cut it out of your diet permanently.

Want to save money on groceries? Find the foods that are working best for you and swap out cheaper alternatives or buy in bulk.

I have no idea what the process should look like, these are just possible examples, but a process is what I want.

Re: Does “skipping meals make you live longer”?

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Fwiw there was a very recent study seeking to compare the longevity increases (in mice) from time-restricted eating vs calorie restriction. In this study, 100% of the benefit was due to time-restricted eating, none from calorie restriction. https://twitter.com/LammingLab/status/1450120927195406342?s=...

A follow-up study followed a group of people who only ate calorie-restricted mice once a day. I can’t find the link, unfortunately.

Re: Does “skipping meals make you live longer”?

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My doctor recommended I begin intermittent fasting - no breakfast, light lunch, normal dinner; 8 hour "eating window" per day. I've been at it for about 18 months now. About 8 months ago I started really watching how much sugar and highly processed carbs I eat (not a keto diet, just not going crazy with pasta and sweets). I've lost 50 pounds and no longer have to take my hypertension medication. If this were the olde…

Eating less calorie will give you the same benefit.

The human body's energy management system is incredibly complicated and rife with subtleties. To the point that the whole "calories in == calories out" meme, while not factually untrue by the standard of Newtonian physics, is just about as useful as saying that gravity is the cause of all airplane crashes.

Re: Does “skipping meals make you live longer”?

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> This suggests that fasting might have negatively affected the health of the mice, to cause less benefit than simple calorie restriction at the same body weight did.

This doesn't make sense. He's comparing 28% lifespan increase on calorie-restriction vs 11% on fasted, and then wildly jumping to "fasted is NEGATIVELY healthy"

Fasting is a helluva lot easier than calorie-restriction, and I'd take a gain of +11% lifespan increase.

Re: Does “skipping meals make you live longer”?

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Diet science is chaos. What we all need is not another fad diet or fasting strategy or super food, but rather a process that looks like a flowchart so an individual can achieve certain goals. I'd be shocked if we ever found a one-size-fits-all diet, but there should be some kind of process to design a good diet specific to an individual, using feedback from measurements like weight, blood sugar, vitamin levels, energ…

You're just describing how nutritionalists help people. You can of course apply the scientific method yourself without them but the reason you pay them to borrow their knowledge and experience to help you minimize the number of experiments you have to do to find "your" diet.

Re: Does “skipping meals make you live longer”?

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post #13

My doctor recommended I begin intermittent fasting - no breakfast, light lunch, normal dinner; 8 hour "eating window" per day. I've been at it for about 18 months now. About 8 months ago I started really watching how much sugar and highly processed carbs I eat (not a keto diet, just not going crazy with pasta and sweets). I've lost 50 pounds and no longer have to take my hypertension medication. If this were the olde…

Eating less calorie will give you the same benefit.

You aren't wrong, but keeping things to an 8-hour window makes it easy to stay within the right calorie range, especially if you pay attention to macros.

Re: Does “skipping meals make you live longer”?

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post #13

My doctor recommended I begin intermittent fasting - no breakfast, light lunch, normal dinner; 8 hour "eating window" per day. I've been at it for about 18 months now. About 8 months ago I started really watching how much sugar and highly processed carbs I eat (not a keto diet, just not going crazy with pasta and sweets). I've lost 50 pounds and no longer have to take my hypertension medication. If this were the olde…

Eating less calorie will give you the same benefit.

I mean, parent post literally wrote that. Cutting carbohydrates and sugars will reduce calories (unless ones diet consists of psyllium husks and sugar alcohols as the carbohydrates and sugars).

Re: Does “skipping meals make you live longer”?

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post #13

My doctor recommended I begin intermittent fasting - no breakfast, light lunch, normal dinner; 8 hour "eating window" per day. I've been at it for about 18 months now. About 8 months ago I started really watching how much sugar and highly processed carbs I eat (not a keto diet, just not going crazy with pasta and sweets). I've lost 50 pounds and no longer have to take my hypertension medication. If this were the olde…

I hope you don't mind my asking, how hard was it to skip breakfast? I feel like I'd miss it, but maybe a new morning ritual can take its place...

Re: Does “skipping meals make you live longer”?

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post #24

> This suggests that fasting might have negatively affected the health of the mice, to cause less benefit than simple calorie restriction at the same body weight did. This doesn't make sense. He's comparing 28% lifespan increase on calorie-restriction vs 11% on fasted, and then wildly jumping to "fasted is NEGATIVELY healthy" Fasting is a helluva lot easier than calorie-restriction, and I'd take a gain of +11% lifesp…

Yeah agreed, that Twitter thread is weird. Sinclair promoting his company does seem like a conflict of interest as far as his tweets are concerned, but the claims in this Twitter thread were equally all over the place.
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