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Re: Willingness to look stupid

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post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The insurance dealer does his job and tries to get a higher premium? Not surprised. This is actually an example of where the author IS stupid. You will often be found "at fault" in cases where you are not actually at fault (the other driver lies better than your truth) and there are many cases (at least in Ontario) where you are legislatively at fault even if you did nothing out of the ordinary (making a left turn…

I think you’ve got that backwards - he wanted to only buy coverage for damage he did to other vehicles / people & not to cover his own vehicle. However, sometimes, for some drivers, fully comprehensive insurance can be cheaper than 3rd party only for arcane internal insurance risk-accounting reasons. So by not letting his agent even look at the whole market he was cutting himself off from the possibility of cheaper i…

I am curious to the mechanics of how the accounting situation arises that an insurer would benefit from taking on more liability for less revenue.

The entire business is heavily regulated and based on accurately accounting and pricing risk. It seems suspect that a regulator would allow such an obviously mispriced insurance product.

Re: Willingness to look stupid

#432
> if a date thinks I'm stupid because I ask them what a word means, so much so that they show it in their facial expression and/or tone of voice, I think it's pretty unlikely that we're compatible, so I view finding that out sooner rather than later as upside and not downside.

This generalises well... ultimately if being pretentious is valued over being genuine then it's probably not a valuable or healthy place for you to be, situation to be in, or person to be around.

For the other more common example of the intern/junior who fears looking stupid to their own detriment. Their only defence is that work places exist which _do_ actually prosecute people for asking "stupid" but useful questions - if they happen to be at such a workplace, it's not worth staying anyway.

Re: Willingness to look stupid

#433
This is great to see on the front page and I hope it positively influences the culture here. HN is larger than it used to be and it's harder to ask "stupid sounding" questions and get meaningful, civil engagement than it used to be. You are more likely to get guff for it than used to be the case.

I fell in love with HN because of the quality of the discussion which was rooted in a sincere attitude of "There are no stupid questions" (assuming you were asking in good faith and not trolling or sea lioning or something like that).

And I'm not enjoying HN as much as I used to and I think part of it is I love asking the "stupid" questions and getting real answers from knowledgeable people and I feel like that's much harder to find than it used to be.

Re: Willingness to look stupid

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally. There's distance between: "people think I'm stupid because I'm not scared to show that I don't know about something" and some of the examples which are more along the lines of "people think I'm stupid because I act as a self-entitled genius who provides little context or reasoning behind choices and expect everyone to line up behind with no question" What is the Apple store employee supposed to do to not mak…

> The insurance dealer does his job and tries to get a higher premium? Not surprised. This is actually an example of where the author IS stupid. You will often be found "at fault" in cases where you are not actually at fault (the other driver lies better than your truth) and there are many cases (at least in Ontario) where you are legislatively at fault even if you did nothing out of the ordinary (making a left turn…

I don't think that's what the author was getting at here - a compelling reason is that the value of the payout to fix your own car x the probability of it happening is lower than the total premium extra. Eg the "Insurance is only worth it for things you can't afford" mentality.

This also checks with the OP in this subthread: The insurance seller will always push for more coverage for self-interested reasons.

Re: Willingness to look stupid

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post #55

One way to prove that he truly doesn't mind looking stupid would be to list times when he risked looking stupid... and it turns out he actually was. It's happened to all of us though we dont like to admit it. I'm sure it's happened to him too and I looked but I didn't see any of those examples listed. Giving only examples of when people thought he was dumb and it turned out he wasn't... that's kind of just a roundabo…

>humblebragging that you're an unrecognized genius

and this is why this article is popular. Everyone has to deal with looking foolish or telling a doctor they know their body better than them. I think playing it up this way and in this format really sells this idea of being this underappreciated genius in a sea of stupid people, which unfortunately a lot of people relate to, instead of attacking the social and systemic issues this person is actually experiencing. For example, poorly trained and non-empathic nurses or mask disinformation early during covid. Obviously these things are strongly liked to ruthless for-profit healthcare and how the right has politicized covid.

Most of the examples are bizarre. The air filter thing makes no sense. Its extremely rare to develop asthma in your own home because of being near wildfires. So there's no evidence his filters did anything. Also most of these are just being over-sensitive at not looking 100% competent all the time. Being bad or silly at videogames at first? That's a universal experience! Being right at work while others are wrong or lazy sometimes! That too. Doing the right thing when no one else is? That's universal too!

And like you said, they don't list the times they made a big seemingly merit-based action but ended up just being wrong.

This person just sounds socially maladjusted and probably suffers from a certain level of social anxiety. If they think acting normally is constantly making them look stupid, there there's something going on with them mentally that isn't healthy. Worse, it may reveal how they see others who aren't competent in the moment, which is really unfair to them. Does this person see us as stupid when we do everyday things? I suspect they do.

So the real take away here isn't "btw aren't we all geniuses if we're like this," I think he was aiming for intentionally or not, but a lesson on being tolerant of others who may not seem competent in the moment.

Lastly, this obsession with who is and isn't stupid is really unhealthy. I see it in a lot of tech people, and its just an ugly form of toxic masculinity. These people will mock sports people for being traditionally over-competitive, but don't see it in themselves when they do it in regards to smarts.

Re: Willingness to look stupid

#436

I have this theory that there is an direct relationship between intellect and doing really stupid things. A genius will sometimes do the most idiotic things. Take comfort the next time you do something really dumb because it indicates you are generally very smart.

If I'm spending very much energy thinking how brilliant or stupid I look or feel, then I'm not focused on doing something fun or useful. We probably all have to put some amount of energy into image management to be part of society, but the less energy put into that the better. At least for me.

Re: Willingness to look stupid

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The article does give the impression that the author has a superiority complex, and that many people are judging him often, where most likely people just don't care all that much either way. Perhaps what they're describing is being defensive over low self-confidence? They don't seem to be all that easy to work with. "I'm not stupid, you're stupid" is the vibe I'm getting.

Re: Willingness to look stupid

#438
The fear of looking stupid cripples me in just about everything I do. Work, both professionally and personal projects, competitive videogames, even playing piano or guitar. Maybe I can take a hint from this post and embrace it rather than avoiding it.

I think this post might be triggering a lot of people who feel it might be criticizing them. It takes a lot of emotional energy to _look_ stupid in front of people, in ways that I would guess most people here (including myself) don't.

Re: Willingness to look stupid

#439
post #223

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"Hi, I'm doing research on $WHATEVER_IT_WAS, could you show me the computer you sell in the smallest boxes?" would prevent the confusion and awkwardness. It seems he gets out of his way to encounter these situations which is kinda rude. I still liked the article, I certainly have a problem with trying to avoid looking stupid too hard, at least in certain contexts.

Yeah, exactly. I build weird machines, and I need parts that aren't designed for the weird machines (because nobody has built them before), so I usually go to unrelated shops. Last time this happened, I needed steel wire, and I went to a guitar shop to buy guitar strings. I told the employee "this is going to be a bit weird but I want a string that is 0.3mm in diameter for a machine I'm building, do you have any?" in…

There is nothing like the joy that lights up the face of a bored Home Depot employee when you say "looking for ; it's for a kids costume". You can get several of them happily brainstorming alternatives and running around the store

Re: Willingness to look stupid

#440
This really resonates with me. I've always had the strong opinion that a corporate culture of open, cooperative, non-judgemental dialog is critical to building strong teams. The OP's experiences mirror my own:

    I try to be careful to avoid this failure mode when onboarding interns and junior folks and have generally been sucessful, but it's taken me up to six weeks to convince people that it's ok for them to ask questions and, until that happens, I have to constantly ask them how things are going to make sure they're not stuck. That works fine if someone is my intern, but I can observe that many intern and new hire mentors do not do this and that often results in a bad outcome for all parties
    In almost every case, the person had at least interned at other companies, but they hadn't learned that it was ok to ask questions. P.S. if you're a junior engineer at a place where it's not ok to ask questions, you should look for another job if circumstances permit
If you want dependable, competent people to work with, you need to give them the space to become those kinds of colleagues.
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