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Daylight Savings Time (2020)

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Re: Daylight Savings Time (2020)

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post #2

Oregon and Washington have already passed bills to change, but the bills require California to also pass one, and they have not. Oregon signed their bill in 2019.

A whole lot of states have been proposing all different changes. This site had a list of all the proposed changes back in 2019, I wonder what it looks like now. https://www.worldtimezone.com/dst_news/dst_news_usa07.html

Re: Daylight Savings Time (2020)

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post #7

I care more about sunset than sunrise, so if people are proposing to get rid of DST instead of making permanent DST I will fight them tooth and nail. I get that it's subjective, but my subjective view is that having sunlight after work is more important, and I stand by that.

What if we kept standard time year round but you were allowed to change your work schedule from month to month as the seasons changed?

Re: Daylight Savings Time (2020)

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post #7

I care more about sunset than sunrise, so if people are proposing to get rid of DST instead of making permanent DST I will fight them tooth and nail. I get that it's subjective, but my subjective view is that having sunlight after work is more important, and I stand by that.

Yeah, that's most people, I think. We're fine with getting rid of the time shift, but if we're going to do that, it makes more sense that the back half of the day have sunlight for longer. People need to do things and kids need to play. Most folks aren't going to work to plow fields anymore.

But is the best way to keep a systemic off by one error for ever? Is this really the only way to allow people to get out of work earlier?

Re: Daylight Savings Time (2020)

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post #13

It's funny how the real reason we jump through time hoops escapes the conversation... the business class doesn't want to offer flexable work time for employees. The OP links to another site that says the science is in: "Wake up to the morning sun". Well, clearly, the answer is then to get rid of the stupid two shift shuffle each year (use standard time), get up to the sunrise, and go to fucking work. But NO, business…

Even if you had flexible work hours, you'd have to start early to enjoy evening sun. That's not great.

And your friends would have to have the same flexibility.

Also, you'll have to use your flexibility to go to bed before them to wake up and enjoy your evening sun.

Just move sunset later. It's a simple logistical option to apply uniformly that will maximize happiness.

Re: Daylight Savings Time (2020)

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post #7

I care more about sunset than sunrise, so if people are proposing to get rid of DST instead of making permanent DST I will fight them tooth and nail. I get that it's subjective, but my subjective view is that having sunlight after work is more important, and I stand by that.

What if we kept standard time year round but you were allowed to change your work schedule from month to month as the seasons changed?

What about schools? What about retail business hours? What time do restaurants open and close? Does each of those change every month?

It's much easier to change our clocks twice a year.

Re: Daylight Savings Time (2020)

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The older I've gotten, the more I'm convinced that people don't care what the clock on the wall says, what they care about is minimizing the effects of sunrise/sunset. No one wants to be awake or get their kids awake before sunrise, and many jobs can't continue after sunset. Lifestyles will adjust forwards or backwards to match the hours in between

Re: Daylight Savings Time (2020)

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post #7

I care more about sunset than sunrise, so if people are proposing to get rid of DST instead of making permanent DST I will fight them tooth and nail. I get that it's subjective, but my subjective view is that having sunlight after work is more important, and I stand by that.

Hard agree.

I think that most people would want to switch to permanent daylight saving time.

This moves the sunset "later" in the day so that you get more sunlight after work.

This is good for restaurants and leisure activities.

Arguments against this typically come in a few flavors every time this subject comes up:

  > But the sun should be overhead at noon.
This doesn't work geographically in practice anyway. It doesn't matter to anyone either. We're not an agrarian society without clocks.

  > But kids will have to go to school in the dark.
They often have to do this anyway. Schools could change the starting hours if they cared. Most people don't have kids.

  > But employers could just start work earlier.
This isn't going to happen worldwide at any scale. And who wants to start work earlier?

  > But early risers prefer to enjoy time before work than after work.
Fair point, but I think this is the minority of folks. Most social activities are at night, and this is when venues make the most money.

Re: Daylight Savings Time (2020)

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I have always been of the opinion that it's the schedule, not the clock!

You need to change the schedule if you don't like the hours. Changing the clock does nothing!

If the point is that business are closing too late so we lose too much daylight during winter, then we need to tell businesses to move their operating hours earlier.

My gut says that we decided school should operate 8-3 and work 9-5 for a reason. If we were to move the clock permanently by an hour, why wouldn't those times just shift as well?

Re: Daylight Savings Time (2020)

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post #7

I care more about sunset than sunrise, so if people are proposing to get rid of DST instead of making permanent DST I will fight them tooth and nail. I get that it's subjective, but my subjective view is that having sunlight after work is more important, and I stand by that.

> I get that it's subjective

It is not subjective according to the scientists.

Re: Daylight Savings Time (2020)

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post #5

We need daylight savings time. What we don't need is standard time.

Why not just use standard time, and shift schedules so that standard office hours are from 10am-6pm?

Seems a lot harder to make 2 changes instead of 1. Especially when the second change would have to be individually apply by every workplace.
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