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California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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post #52

I for one am fine with taxes being a pain in the ass. That forces people to see what they're paying. If you think they're a pain in the ass, advocate for simpler taxes.

Except that I suspect the average taxpayer doesn't see what they're paying but instead sees the size of the refund check they get at the end of the process, which has relatively little correlation to the amount they paid.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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post #78

I have "simple enough" taxes that I don't need software. I recently found out that California has the third WORST average IQ as a state (95.5) and that only confirms that 1) I made the right decision to leave California, and 2) ANYTHING California comes up with is almost certainly NOT a good thing by definition that it came from California!!!

Since the 1950s overall IQ has increased more than the current variation between states, so I assume you also disregard anything thought up pre-1950 for the same reason?

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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post #101

Going to paraphrase a quote from a podcast that stuck with me. > What (the left) needs to do is clear out rents. Not just housing rents, but rent seekers. The economy is riddled through with people who do nothing, but get paid because structurally that’s who gets paid. Intuit is one of those companies. They produce a few real products, QuickBooks for businesses and Mint, but overwhelmingly their money comes from the…

The left doesnt really have any power in the US. What passes for the left (the socially liberal corporate elites that run most of the democratic party) are pretty much just as invested in protecting the rentiers as the right wing. Rentier money is structurally geared towards destroying any populist politicians who threaten their rents. It was a fluke that AOC won given her Democratic opponent (when she was unknown) o…

>The left doesnt really have any power in the US

Without debating whether the left has political power (hard to question when the administration and majority of house and senate are left leaning), there's no question that "the left" dominates our media and most of our institutions, and controls (often explicitly as with big tech) the boundaries of allowable discourse.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe we should let each state run the way they see fit... you know kind of like how the Constitution assumed things should be done until the Commerce Clause was used by the Federal Government to hammer every state into submission.

States love independence until their power grid fails or they get hit by a hurricane or an international pandemic.

And states love the federal government until they can't get the legislative buy in to enact their pet policies.

There's no free lunch.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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post #10

I hate wasting at least a day if not more of my life every year filing. As time goes on and i have more assets the time to file goes up as well and gathering all the required documents with every bank having different timelines is a nightmare. But what can I do about it? I would imagine if it went to a vote overwhelmingly people would say no I don’t want to file like this every year. But here we are and honestly I do…

If you have all these assets and your time is valuable I imagine you can cough up a few $ to pay a local tax accountant. I do this for my single member company, it costs $150 each year. Very worth it and a small price to pay. They even do a quick review of my books. At this point I am familiar enough with all the forms that I could probably do it myself in less than an hour. But I don't mind supporting the accountant…

This is the first year I've ever hired anyone to do my taxes. Got married, sold an investment property, started earning some rental income, and had a few other issues I didn't want to try to figure out myself. It was closer to $1500 than $150, for what it's worth.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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If you want to 'save the nation from tax filing', California should begin by simplifying its own tax forms. I'm sorry... you can't say you're trying to save us from tax filing while simultaneously having a tax form that would put a blank excel spreadsheet to shame. California and the federal government's willingness to write complex, byzantine tax rules, is ultimately what keeps intuit in business.

That is exactly what Intuit stopped them from doing as described in TFA.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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post #42
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But only für employees! As an independent or small company owner you have todo it every year.

According to the World Bank, the self-employed in Germany account for 9.6% of the total employment. So nine out of ten Germans can still avoid filing taxes, which is pretty good. Interestingly enough, the self-employed actually make up a smaller percentage of total employment in the US at 6.1%. So if the US were to adopt a similar system, it'd be closer to 15 out of 16 Americans.

You only don't have to file if you have a regular job and no other income. Add capital gains, rental income, I think even state parental leave support, and you need to file.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just Japan, also true for the UK with our Pay As You Earn system - you get assigned a tax code, and the appropriate amount is automatically deducted from your payslip. No need to file anything, and refunds/demands get generated automatically each year if you've been changing jobs/not working/other odd circumstances meaning that the amount you paid doesn't match what you were expected to

> the appropriate amount is automatically deducted from your payslip Lol I wish they deducted the appropriate amount. > No need to file anything Not true - many still need to file a self assessment, just like in the US.

If your income does not change then it’s the appropriate amount. If your income increases or decreases you may end up paying too much or too little. Then there’s deductibles. It’s quite nice getting a cheque at the end of the tax year for a few thousand.

Singapore we pay tax for the previous year on a month to month basis. It’s good but I imagine if you end up with less pay than the previous year it could be a strain on life.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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post #89

Going to paraphrase a quote from a podcast that stuck with me. > What (the left) needs to do is clear out rents. Not just housing rents, but rent seekers. The economy is riddled through with people who do nothing, but get paid because structurally that’s who gets paid. Intuit is one of those companies. They produce a few real products, QuickBooks for businesses and Mint, but overwhelmingly their money comes from the…

>What (the left) needs to do is clear out rents. Unfortunately in the US the rent seekers have an easy hack to make sure that never happens: lobbying. The system will never change unless we vote out the current politicians, and then maybe it will change. We might have to clear out most, ideally all of the applicable congress every election cycle for a few years before we see any results. As long as we keep voting in…

The federal system in regards to lobbying would change if we followed the constitution as written to allow House of Representatives to grow with census population count. And restore the not direct election of Senators. Then remove federal personal income tax. For icing on the cake, shut down the 3rd central bank known as 'Federal Reserve'.

This would require a nationwide general strike to show the people are serious. Most people are not serious about anything beyond TV, social media, and more personal debt.

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