What is the marketing team going to do without machine learning, artificial intelligent, blockchain driven cloud based PAAS?
Clearly, quantum blockchain driven cloud based PaaS.
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#42What is the marketing team going to do without machine learning, artificial intelligent, blockchain driven cloud based PAAS?
They might have to switch to some new up-and-coming buzzwords, such as "supply chain", or "graph".
Here's a great example I found after a quick search [1]:
> Why TigerGraph, a Native Parallel Graph Database for Supply Chain Analysis?
> Manage Supply Chains Efficiently With Deep Link Analytics
Oh, and then there's also "Internet of Things":
> Uncover Insights From Temporal Analysis of Internet of Things Data
[1] https://www.tigergraph.com/solutions/supply-chain-analysis/
Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says
#43I'm in the submarine AI camp[1]. I'd rather build tools that kinda help humans do thinking, rather than thinking machines. Like how submarines help humans swim but who cares if they are actually swimming. 1. "The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than the question of whether a submarine can swim." - Edsger Dijkstra
There are lots of creatures that can swim. Most of them swim better than a human. That’s why it’s not very interesting when we discover a new one. In contrast, humans are arguably the only creatures in the universe that can think. Certainly we have never discovered a creature that can think better than a human. Thus it would be highly exciting if we discovered or created one.
I can see that. Its just not something I'm particularly interested in.
I'm not an expert in brains. After taking a few casual courses I saw recommended here, and reading some of the books, I'm suspicious that our story about our own intelligence is somewhat oversold, and we may find that our intelligence is 99% mundane, custom-built automation and 1% story telling. But that story telling is pretty magical.
Buddhism and Modern Psychology
Happiness Hypothesis (which is more about brains than happiness)
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#44I'm in the submarine AI camp[1]. I'd rather build tools that kinda help humans do thinking, rather than thinking machines. Like how submarines help humans swim but who cares if they are actually swimming. 1. "The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than the question of whether a submarine can swim." - Edsger Dijkstra
Me too, but I am afraid the human end needs to think critically as well. You don't need ML/AI to have people do stupid shit because "computer told them to do so". A good example would be validators bundled with the web OpenStreetMap editor iD, which are good from far, far from good. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2021-July/086...
I mean, you can't make a hammer and expect it to be as useful to someone without hands or nails.
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#45I'm in the submarine AI camp[1]. I'd rather build tools that kinda help humans do thinking, rather than thinking machines. Like how submarines help humans swim but who cares if they are actually swimming. 1. "The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than the question of whether a submarine can swim." - Edsger Dijkstra
There are lots of creatures that can swim. Most of them swim better than a human. That’s why it’s not very interesting when we discover a new one. In contrast, humans are arguably the only creatures in the universe that can think. Certainly we have never discovered a creature that can think better than a human. Thus it would be highly exciting if we discovered or created one.
The human mind is so flawed I am not sure its a good model to build thinking machines.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder what the breakthrough will be is it hardware or software. Seems like we can make as powerful of a computer as we want/try but what makes sentience. Does a fly or gnat have sentience?
I know I shouldn't be so pedantic, but you probably don't mean sentience but Sapience [0]. Sentience is the ability to sense and react to stimuli. A fly or a gnat is certainly sentient; they can see, smell, feel the sensation of touch and react accordingly. That is all that is required for a being to be sentient. A really interesting example is if you shock a caterpillar even after metamorphosis the resultant moth re…
Yeah by sentience I did mean more than sensing. As long as Sapience doesn't imply human then I agree. Just about awareness, real awareness... which I don't know what that means, an IMU is aware right, well it's a sensor.
> named our species Homo Sapiens
I see
> I in no way believe that my temperature sensor has any sapient qualities, It can't reason about why it's reacting
Right like the training
> recognises the signal as pain
yeah that's something else too, I know there are concepts like word2vec but still, how do you have meaning
> even if we did create a sapient machine it's experience would be so far removed from our own
Yeah maybe a sociopath machine
That was a great movie
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#47How else are we going to get funded?! Besides, the board came down on the CEO hard, demanding we have an AI strategy. Calling our round-robin load balancer "heuristic AI" gives us a break.
And don't forget "rule-based AI"!
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#48I'm in the submarine AI camp[1]. I'd rather build tools that kinda help humans do thinking, rather than thinking machines. Like how submarines help humans swim but who cares if they are actually swimming. 1. "The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than the question of whether a submarine can swim." - Edsger Dijkstra
There are lots of creatures that can swim. Most of them swim better than a human. That’s why it’s not very interesting when we discover a new one. In contrast, humans are arguably the only creatures in the universe that can think. Certainly we have never discovered a creature that can think better than a human. Thus it would be highly exciting if we discovered or created one.
>In contrast, humans are arguably the only creatures in the universe that can think.
Citation very strongly required to back up this statement. I'm not aware of any evidence that this is the case, in fact its quite the opposite.
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#49Interestingly as soon as a system works or we understand it's principles we stop using the term "artificial intelligence". It becomes image recognition, autonomous cars, or face detection. We mostly talk about artificial intelligence when we dont really know or understand what we are talking about :-)
I think it’s more an issue of talking past each other. In order to build a program, you kind of need to specify the required capabilities, and then standard engineering practice is to decompose that into a set of solutions tailored to the problem. But intelligence is not just about a list of capabilities; they’re necessary conditions, but not sufficient.
This is what leads to the AI effect conflict. We describe some capabilities that are associated with intelligence, build systems that exceed human performance ability on a narrow range of tasks for those capabilities, and then argue about whether or not that limited set of capabilities on a narrow domain of tasks is sufficient to be called “intelligence”.
Recognizing faces, playing chess, and predicting the next few words in my email are all things I’d expect an intelligent agent to be able to do, but I’d also expect to be able to pick up that agent and plop it down in a factory and have it operate a machine; put it in the kitchen and have it wash my dishes; or bring it to work and have it help me with that. We already have machines that help me do all of those things, but none of them really exhibit any intelligence. And any one of those machines getting 10x better at their single narrow domain still won’t seem like “intelligence”.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are lots of creatures that can swim. Most of them swim better than a human. That’s why it’s not very interesting when we discover a new one. In contrast, humans are arguably the only creatures in the universe that can think. Certainly we have never discovered a creature that can think better than a human. Thus it would be highly exciting if we discovered or created one.
>In contrast, humans are arguably the only creatures in the universe that can think. Citation very strongly required to back up this statement. I'm not aware of any evidence that this is the case, in fact its quite the opposite.
Second. Not sure how "think" is being defined here, but even for a spatial/temporal sense of self or mortality I'd say that's probably an incorrect statement. Let alone the general notion of thinking. E.g. dogs exhibit basic thinking like predetermination, delayed gratification, etc.