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California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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This is why I always pirate TurboTax and deleted my Mint years ago. Fuck intuit. Oh and before someone asks me why I feel comfortable doing that security wise...I do it on an airgapped machine and print the return out and mail it in. Ezpz

Also why I was disappointed when Intuit bought Credit Karma. I will never use Turbo Tax, just out of principle. I cannot support a company like that.

I try to avoid QuickBooks and will avoid Mailchimp for the same reason.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

#122
If you want to 'save the nation from tax filing', California should begin by simplifying its own tax forms.

I'm sorry... you can't say you're trying to save us from tax filing while simultaneously having a tax form that would put a blank excel spreadsheet to shame.

California and the federal government's willingness to write complex, byzantine tax rules, is ultimately what keeps intuit in business.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Since I’ve not seen it mentioned yet, https://www.freetaxusa.com/ . Used it the last few years to do my taxes, which include investment and self employment income. No complaints. Intuit’s stuff would charge quite a bit for my “complex” taxes. They charge a couple bucks to file state taxes, which gives me a bit of confidence they’re not making money by selling my info to someone.

Yup - I used this last year and it was great. They also charge a few dollars to file amendments, which is fine.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Intuit is such an evil company. Now that I've moved to Germany, I know what it feels like not to have to file every year (I still have to for the US but it's trivial now due to FIEC). There's nobody hounding you here, no stress regarding your taxes unless you're filing for a return or have extenuating circumstances, and even then there's a government-provided online portal for direct communication with the Finanzamt…

Why assign all the blame to Intuit? > They persuaded the Internal Revenue Service for more than a decade to pledge in writing not to adopt California’s innovation or develop any other offerings that threatened their business model. I think the IRS deserves much of the blame for yielding to Intuit's persuasion. Every American should be upset with both Intuit and the IRS.

I'm just upset with the IRS. The IRS officers hold a position of public trust. Intuit does not.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

#125

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If I found out my kid's friend gave them $1000 to jump off a bridge, I think I'd be equally mad at both of them.

Sure, but in this case these are adults and they know exactly what they are doing. Intuit didn't force them by gunpoint. The politicians have agency here and are ultimately responsible. They chose to put their donors over their voters. And now they are trying to frame this as though they are hapless victims who tried to save the nation? No.

Yeah I think we're agreeing, they're both to blame. I guess the reason it might feel like people are blaming Intuit more is that they literally shouldn't exist, they owe everything to this bullshit arrangement, so it's easier to make blanket statements. I don't want the IRS to disappear, I just want it to make better decisions about this particular issue. But I do want Intuit to disappear because it's a completely worthless parasite.

That doesn't mean the people running Intuit are worse than the politicians making decisions about the IRS, it's just easier to make a singular judgement about their organization.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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post #106

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Why assign all the blame to Intuit? > They persuaded the Internal Revenue Service for more than a decade to pledge in writing not to adopt California’s innovation or develop any other offerings that threatened their business model. I think the IRS deserves much of the blame for yielding to Intuit's persuasion. Every American should be upset with both Intuit and the IRS.

I'm just upset with the IRS. The IRS officers hold a position of public trust. Intuit does not.

I expect Intuit, and every other company where responsibility is sufficiently large that nobody feels personally responsible for the company's actions, to do heinous things to make a buck if the option presents itself.

Whereas the IRS, and every other government agency, is supposedly trying to help society or at least not hurt it.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Do private tax prep companies have an argument they advance about why automatic filing is a bad idea? Or is it just pure behind scenes lobbying?

My understanding is the two pro arguments for manual filing are: If taxpayers aren't forced to confront the details of their tax payments every time they do a filing, they're less likely to complain about high taxes (this comes with the implication that high taxes are inherently bad, which depends on your political leaning) Taxpayers may just accept the automatic deduction without realising they're being overcharged…

Is there a privacy/surveillance aspect to the argument? Or is the data that the IRS will collect the same either way?

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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We don't mention IQ around here. It explains too much. Too much to handle. Enjoy your downvotes.

Hmm, I would actually love (genuinely) to hear more. My impression is that standardized testing of Intelligence Quotient explains way way less than popular imagination & movies think. Studies like these [1] [2] get a lot of newspaper time, but they're largely rebuked on methodological or overreach grouns, and honestly, there's sweeping generalizations and then there's saying "Anything from California is automatically…

I don't know about correlation between average IQ and a country/state performance (e.g. GPD performance capita) but there is plenty of research that show correlation between a person's IQ and expected income/wealth.

It's also intuitive. The whole path to college, at least for hard sciences, partially select for IQ. And college education correlates with higher income.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Yeah let's run the country like Alabama instead. They're doing well! /s

Maybe we should let each state run the way they see fit... you know kind of like how the Constitution assumed things should be done until the Commerce Clause was used by the Federal Government to hammer every state into submission.

States love independence until their power grid fails or they get hit by a hurricane or an international pandemic.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

#130

This is why I always pirate TurboTax and deleted my Mint years ago. Fuck intuit. Oh and before someone asks me why I feel comfortable doing that security wise...I do it on an airgapped machine and print the return out and mail it in. Ezpz

Also why I was disappointed when Intuit bought Credit Karma. I will never use Turbo Tax, just out of principle. I cannot support a company like that.

Credit Karma was really disappointing for me... their tax service is quite good for simple filing.
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