Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip

Post by bildung » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 1:26 PM UTC

keonix wrote: post #118

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Copyleft won't help you there either if the license issuer is also the producer of the physical chip: Licenses are regulating what third parties can do with the source, they don't restrict the issuer.

They do actually restrict issuer in most cases. Linus can't just strip Linux of other developers parts because they are tightly interconnected. He could relicense 30 year old version of Linux, but it would be useless

Post by Symbiote » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 2:01 PM UTC

anthk wrote: post #105

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The average consumer cost for 1kWh of electricity in the EU is 20¢. A well-used server might consume 500W on average. units '500W * 1 year * 0.20 €/kWh' '€' € 876 I'm sure businesses get a discount, but we haven't paid for cooling yet. This is hardly a rounding error.

Which units is that? Mine does return stuff in Euros but with a fraction.

  GNU Units version 2.19
  with readline, with utf8, locale en_IE

  units '500W * 1 year * 0.20/kWh' '1'

Post by fullstop » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 2:31 PM UTC

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Macs are still a relatively small (but profitable) chunk of the computing world. The ground Intel has lost in desktop and mobile is more than made up for by their utter dominance in server. Intel also has a lot of plays that should bear fruit in holding or retaking ground on consumer compute in the next few years: 1) Arc GPUs. Looks like they will be seriously disruptive. 2) Hedging their process node bets by using T…

Macs are a small market, but Apple definitely sets trends. Once they adopt a technology, people "know" it works and it's safe to switch. If servers can run on cheap ARM hardware that uses less electricity and runs far cooler without much of a performance difference, that's a massive improvement. Electricity savings would more than justify a switch. Apple has shown that it's possible at the desktop/laptop level. Now t…

Post by tfcata » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 2:47 PM UTC

d33 wrote: post #79

As a person learning Chinese, I find it super frustrating that Chinese brand names are only mentioned in Pinyin, and to make it worse, without tones. With tones, it would have been xuántiě, which makes it possible to properly pronounce without extra context. In Chinese characters it's 玄铁 in simplified and 玄鐵 in traditional script. The meaning is "reddish-black iron". I'm curious if it should be taken literally or if…

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 2:57 PM UTC

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From what I'm seeing, I think assuming that RISC-V CPUs being blob free and open, just because the ISA is open is illusory at best and wilfully lying at worst.

I agree that open ISA does not equate to blob free hardware. And many RISC-V designs out there will have royalties, and devices blobs. But the open ISA levels the playing field and allows for upstart hardware designers to make compatible hardware that is royalty and/or blob free.