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Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is not the answer

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Re: Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is not the answer

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moot (Chris Poole) Conjecture: bind anonymity to ephemerality for best results. Consider ten seconds persistence limit. Like short-term memory for the spoken word.

Yeah, Moot's legacy sure has been doing the world a lot of favors. You sure we should be referencing his logic?

Yes, I am sure we should be referencing the logic of his proposal, and that we should consider that moot’s implementation of ephemerality on 4chan allowed too much persistence.

Re: Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is not the answer

#32
the most abuse I am seeing happening on Twitter originates from blue checks journalists and activists targeting political opponents. Targeting by randoms usually matches IRL statistics - Jews get most abuse, followed by women of all races. No other groups get even close. Also, politicians complaining about online abuse should not have become politicians in the first place.

Re: Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is not the answer

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post #14

The article cites the recent murder of politician David Amess as the purpose for revisiting discussions about banning anonymity on social networks. But Amess was stabbed to death by a Somali migrant with ‘religious and ideological motivations’. What does that have to do with social media anonymity?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/18/pm-urged-to-...

>While police are investigating whether there are any links to Islamist extremism and have not connected the killing to the targeting of MPs online, allies of Amess said he had voiced growing concern about threats and toxicity within public discourse as they demanded a crackdown.

>Francois, the MP for Rayleigh and Wickford, which neighbours Amess’s Southend West constituency, added: “I suggest that if we want to ensure that our colleague didn’t die in vain, we collectively all of us pick up the baton, regardless of our party and take the forthcoming online harms bill and toughen it up markedly.

So there is absolutely no link between his murder and seemingly any online activity, but they're still going to use his murder to to justify... harsher punishment for being mean to government employees online? Never let a crisis go to waste I guess.

Re: Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is not the answer

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post #23

Anonymity is important because it allows you to have discussions purely based on the arguments and opinions, without the bias of who youre talking to. I often find myself having a wonderfully deep discussion with someone online, and when I eventually find out what they look like (etc), I often realize that they dont look as friendly, educated, etc as they are. Humans are really bad at this, and you will put people in…

but it also has a dark side that you can pretend to have deep and meaningful discussion and push your agenda and abuse naive person on the other side of conversation.

Re: Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is not the answer

#35

It's a huge start

How exactly?

It's a huge start towards Balkanized Internet. You can't have total de-anonymized Internet without blocking foreign user geneerated content.

To ban foreign content, you got to install a China style national firewall.

Re: Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is not the answer

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post #23

Anonymity is important because it allows you to have discussions purely based on the arguments and opinions, without the bias of who youre talking to. I often find myself having a wonderfully deep discussion with someone online, and when I eventually find out what they look like (etc), I often realize that they dont look as friendly, educated, etc as they are. Humans are really bad at this, and you will put people in…

With AI, you'll never meet them and know what they look like.

Re: Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is not the answer

#38
post #23

Anonymity is important because it allows you to have discussions purely based on the arguments and opinions, without the bias of who youre talking to. I often find myself having a wonderfully deep discussion with someone online, and when I eventually find out what they look like (etc), I often realize that they dont look as friendly, educated, etc as they are. Humans are really bad at this, and you will put people in…

but it also has a dark side that you can pretend to have deep and meaningful discussion and push your agenda and abuse naive person on the other side of conversation.

How does a mandatory profile picture help with this?

Re: Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is not the answer

#39
Somewhat tangential to the article, but here's what I would like: A site like reddit, but you have to get your government ID verified when you sign up.

You can still pick any alias you want, but mods see your location within, say, 100 miles.

Imagine reddit with no bots, banning has consequences, and local subreddits can actually just be people who live there.

The painful sign up flow makes that totally unreasonable, but it would vastly improve my online community experience to live without bots and more limited trolls.

*edit to clarify* -- i don't want them to _have_ my ID, just use some kind of service from stripe or visa or whoever where they get a hash, so that banning is stickier.

Re: Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is not the answer

#40
post #7

I don’t know… my Nextdoor group is pretty abusive to certain groups at times, and people post happily with their real life name and the rough area of where they live attached. Hate towards an individual person isn’t super common, but it happens. If this extrapolates, I can’t see removing anonymity doing much other than e.g. hurting LGBT groups online (imagine asking questions as a member of that group in a conservati…

> I can’t see removing anonymity doing much other than e.g. hurting LGBT groups online (imagine asking questions as a member of that group in a conservative community and forced to use your real name)

Consider that this could be one of the motivations behind the push for things like this.

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