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Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by cma »

lanza wrote: post #558
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #245

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> I just can't figure out what I'm missing on the "M1 is so fast" side of things. Two reasons: 1. M1 is a super fast laptop chip. It provides mid-range desktop performance in a laptop form factor with mostly fanless operation. No matter how you look at it, that's impressive. 2. Apple really dragged their feet on updating the old Intel Macs before the transition. People in the Mac world (excluding hackintosh) were stu…

You're missing out on the fact that Apple didn't release a 12980hk or 5980hx competitor. These are 30 watt chips that trounce the competition's 65 watt (e.g. the 12980hk and 5980hx) and beyond chips. Hell, this Geekbench is faster than a desktop 125 watt 11900k. It's faster than a desktop 105 watt 5800x. Apple intentionally played to the competition here. They know AMD/Intel reach some performance level X and release…

They aren't the only one willing to pay the premium: they specifically bought exclusivity to the newest node and have for years.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by EvgeniyZh »

foldr wrote: post #738
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What does it have to do with geekbench which test processors on max load, i.e., highest possible TDP, which I referred to?

Depends on how you look at it. What's impressive about the M1 is that it gets highly respectable Geekbench scores while also being able to deliver 20 hours of battery life in a small form factor laptop. If there is an Intel chip that can do that, where are the laptops with comparable battery life? We can nerd out about the exact definition of TDP all day, but ultimately these benchmarks are only useful insofar as the…

Well, I hear a lot of claims that M1 is significantly outperforming Intel (either by raw computing power or per watt). All I saying that both are at level of maybe single generation improvement, nice but not revolutionary. Of course they also those low-power cores that allow long battery life, which is very nice, but thats a separate story

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by drewpc »

lliamander wrote: post #657
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I disagree with this perspective. I think it's important to recognize that the M1 is a System on a Chip (SoC), not simply a CPU. Comparing the Apple M1 to "mid-range 8-core AMD desktop CPUs from 2020" is not comparing apples to apples. The M1 Max in the Geek Bench score has 10 cores whereas the AMD desktop CPUs you mention have 8-cores. That would be more of an apples to apples comparison. Where the M1 architecture r…

I really hope Qualcomm/NUVIA (or Nvidia/ARM) release a competitive ARM SoC that will eventually become part of a framework mainboard module.

It would be very interesting to see a consumer-oriented ARM SoC from one of the other main manufacturers. I doubt that will happen, however. Their entire business is based on being a component in a chain of components, not being the entire thing. Although, for example, Intel makes some motherboards, some GPUs, etc...their business isn't based on putting it all together in one fabric for their end-clients. They'd have to control/influence more of the OS for that. Apple has it all: full hardware control, full software control, and it's all designed for the mass market consumer.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

konart wrote: post #608
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You are vastly, vastly overestimating how many people like apple laptops. They're expensive, the OS is worse, and there's no speed difference outside of benchmarks. That combined with the fact that most apps are windows-based, and the games are poorly emulated or nonexistent, there's really no reason to buy an apple laptop short of bragging.

>the OS is worse Worse than what? Windows, that is even in 2021 is still a clanky garbage. Or Linux (any distro) that can't be installed on a newest hardware without any trouble at all (my relatively recent experience). An even then you get an OS that you have to fix yourself for it to work and feel remotely nice. Yet without decent software in most cases outside of software development.

"Windows, that is even in 2021 is still a clanky garbage."

MacOS is useless on desktop, it can't scale DPI of UI, if that's not clanky garbage i don't know what is.

My large 4K screen either acts as an oversized 1080p display or turns into a blurry mess.

Android and Windows both can efficiencltly use display with any aspect ratio and any DPI.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by true_religion »

dijit wrote: post #655
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The trade in value for my 6 year old MacBook Air is 150 dollars. Old computers depreciate so fast, that you can afford to buy ten of them for the price of one new computer.

Looks like they’re selling for more than twice that on ebay.co.uk though. And considering MacBook airs are $1000~ devices that’s really high. 6 years is also beyond the service life of a(ny) machine. If I look at 3 year old MacBook airs they’re selling for £600 on eBay, which is, what, half of the full cost. Not great for an already old machine with only a few good years left. I guess you might save a bit of money us…

> I guess you might save a bit of money using extremely old hardware and keeping it for a while.

If you get the best, and keep it for a while then even though it won't be bleeding edge anymore it'll still be in the middle of mediocre.

When it comes to computers, mediocre is actually pretty usable. A $600 computer can do pretty much everything, including handling normal scale non-enterprise software development. I didn't really realize it until I went back to school for science, but many projects are bound by the capacity of your mind and not the speed of your CPU.

If I do need computing power, I use a desktop.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

derefr wrote: post #410
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> GPU capabilities that blow everything away Compared to previous macs and igpus - an nvidia gpu will still run circles arounnd this thing

> an nvidia gpu will still run circles arounnd this thing Not for loading up models larger than 32GB it wouldn't. (They exist! That's what the "full-detail model of the starship Enterprise" thing in the keynote was about.) Remember that on any computer without unified memory, you can only load a scene the size of the GPU's VRAM. No matter how much main memory you have to swap against, no matter how many GPUs you thro…

"Right now, consumer GPUs top out at 32GB of VRAM. The M1 Max has, in a sense, 64GB (minus OS baseline overhead) of VRAM for its GPU to use."

We've had AMD APU's for years, you can shove 256GB of RAM in there. But noone cares because a huge chunk of memory attached to a slow GPU is useless.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by refracture »

adrianN wrote: post #596
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This is a really useless comparison. A 10 year old laptop will be extremely slow compared to any modern laptop and the battery will have degraded. The T460 has knock off battery replacements floating around but that’s not exactly reassuring. Granted: it works for you (and me, actually, I’m one of those people who likes to use an old thinkpad; x201s in my case though I mostly use a dell precision these days) but peopl…

Not everyone needs 15+ hours of battery life. I'd argue that most people don't. Laptops were extremely popular when the battery life was two hours. Now even older laptops get 5h+.

Here's a different take to that: If I refuse to use Windows as my OS on my Dell Inspiron 7559 I have to live with like 2 hours of battery life and a hot lap because power management doesn't work properly. So much as watching a YouTube video under Linux makes it loud and hot.

Same laptop could do 9+ consistently for me in Windows and remained quiet unless I was actually putting load on it.

The reading I've done on the Framework laptops makes it sound like this situation has not improved, or at least not anywhere near enough to compete with Windows.. this has effectively ruled them out of the running on a replacement laptop for me.

An M1 based Macbook sure is looking appealing these days. I can live with macOS.

Not everyone needs decent battery life, but some of us do.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #731
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That’s not the right way to look at it. We never did this because you couldn’t get enough performance. Now you can get performance off a battery for your entire work day for less money than the competition (if reports are to be believed). In this scenario, would you render things in a cafe? Why not?

> In this scenario, would you render things in a cafe? Why not? honestly, as a traveler and sometimes digital nomad, the real question is "why yes?" There is no real reason to work in a cafe, except because it looks cool to some social audience. Cafes are usually very uncomfortable work places, especially if you have to sit for hours looking at the tiniest of the details as one often does when rendering.

Maybe you’re hungry but it’s crunch time.

It’s like when the iPad came out and had a camera. “Who is going to lug around an iPad to take pictures!?!?”

But that’s exactly what I started seeing people do. Pull out iPads and take snaps.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by true_religion »

dijit wrote: post #768
sokoloff wrote: post #761

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I was commenting only on whether “6 years is beyond the service life of any machine”, which I tried to make clear with my quoting and reply. I’ve got no bone to pick with Apple and am not making any broad anti-Apple or anti-M1 case. (I decided to [have work] buy the very first MBPro after they un-broke the keyboard and am happy with it.) Of the five to eight topics you raise after your first two sentences, I said exa…

Oh. Sorry, in a very broad sense the support contract on any machine is only 5 years. After which you're basically living on borrowed time. That's why companies aren't giving out 5+year old laptops/desktops. (well, I suppose some do, but big companies simply wouldn't) I assume the whole context of the thread and assumed you were defending the parent.

As the parent, I'd like to say... my entire argument isn't that top-of-the-line laptops are too expensive for what they do but rather that

(1) older macbooks are identical to mediocre new laptops in performance & price

(2) medicore laptops are very cheap for what they do

(3) desktops are far more economical when you need power.

If you spec out a laptop to be both powerful, light weight, and as beautiful as a MBP then you're going to pay a real premium. Paying for premium things is not the default.

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