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Re: Mihály Csíkszentmihályi has died

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One of my favorite quotes from his book, Flow:

"The ultimate test for the ability to control the quality of experience is what a person does in solitude, with no external demands to give structure to attention. It is relatively easy to become involved with a job, to enjoy the company of friends, to be entertained in a theater or at a concert. But what happens when we are left to our own devices? Alone, when the dark night of the soul descends, are we forced into frantic attempts to distract the mind from its coming? Or are we able to take on activities that are not only enjoyable, but make the self grow?"

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Csíkszentmihályi's Flow also introduced me to Seneca and Marcus Aurelius (although, I prefer Epictetus to Aurelius).

Re: Mihály Csíkszentmihályi has died

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe it was these three: Daniel Kahneman, "Thinking, Fast and Slow" Susan Cain, "Quiet: The Power of Introverts in a World That Can't Stop Talking" Daniel Pink, "Drive: The Surprising Truth About What Motivates Us" So, maybe not entirely unrelated, but I certainly wasn't looking for a specific theme. Just working down my non-fiction list.

Might be a strange question to ask, but do you "get" anything out of reading non-fiction? Like, is there a substantive benefit you gained from reading these books?

That is an odd question to ask, lol.

Re: Mihály Csíkszentmihályi has died

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I had a brief email exchange with Csikszentmihalyi a few years ago over a concept he'd mentioned in an Edge essay. Discussion turned to other notable Hungarians (and Austrians), including the Polanyis (Karl and Michael). He'd known their neice, Eva Zeisel Polanyi, a ceramicist, and he dropped this small-world gem:

Karl Popper used to go hunting in the summers through the Carpatian Mountains with my grandfather; occasionally they were joined by August von Hayek, who later also got a Nobel in Economics . . . I learned a lot about my grandfather from him . . . And indirectly a lot from Popper, whose Das Logik Der Vorschung (translated into English with the strange title of The Logic of Scientific Discovery) was for years my Bible.

I'd first heard of his Flow concept on a public radio interview I caught whilst on a road-trip through a remote rural high plateau, in the 1990s. Highly memorable and mildly surreal listening to his voice as the countryside flowed past.

Vale, Mihaly.

Re: Mihály Csíkszentmihályi has died

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe it was these three: Daniel Kahneman, "Thinking, Fast and Slow" Susan Cain, "Quiet: The Power of Introverts in a World That Can't Stop Talking" Daniel Pink, "Drive: The Surprising Truth About What Motivates Us" So, maybe not entirely unrelated, but I certainly wasn't looking for a specific theme. Just working down my non-fiction list.

Might be a strange question to ask, but do you "get" anything out of reading non-fiction? Like, is there a substantive benefit you gained from reading these books?

Mortimer Adler's classic How to Read a Book addresses both the why and how. I'd suggest ... reading it, synoptically, to answer your question.

https://www.worldcat.org/title/how-to-read-a-book/oclc/11137...

Simply: reading is communication over time. It enables earlier others to share their thoughts and insights. Often, as suggested in this thread, ideas arising in one domain have relevance in others --- they provide insights, clarity, metaphors, understanding, mechanisms, skills, ...

Why do you read Hacker News?

Re: Mihály Csíkszentmihályi has died

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For the casual HN reader, he was the one who recognized and scientifically described the creative state of "flow" [1] Why would it be of interest for the audience of hackernews? Well, programmers and related fields' mostly creative workers tend to experience the flow, and even though it is hard to explain (or describe, for that matter) most of us agree that it's great to be in. [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fl…

I tend to describe flow as "when an hour passes in three minutes".

Re: Mihály Csíkszentmihályi has died

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Csikszentmihalyi was Hungarian. I live in Hungary, and often work from a coffee shop called Flow with a Csikszentmihalyi quote on the wall, "Flow is being completely involved in an activity for its own sake. The ego falls away. Time flies. Every action, movement, and thought follows inevitably from the previous one, like playing jazz." RIP

I love Flow, it's my favorite cafe to work from in Budapest. Can't wait to visit home so I can hang out there again.

Thanks for the recommendation! In pre-COVID times, I would visit Budapest a few times per year.

My coffee stops are usually Addicted2Caffeine on Bartok Bela, and Tamp & Pull, depending on which hotel I'm staying at.

There's also Barako Kavehaz, which serves an interesting Filipino coffee varietal called Liberica Barako.

Re: Mihály Csíkszentmihályi has died

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe it was these three: Daniel Kahneman, "Thinking, Fast and Slow" Susan Cain, "Quiet: The Power of Introverts in a World That Can't Stop Talking" Daniel Pink, "Drive: The Surprising Truth About What Motivates Us" So, maybe not entirely unrelated, but I certainly wasn't looking for a specific theme. Just working down my non-fiction list.

Might be a strange question to ask, but do you "get" anything out of reading non-fiction? Like, is there a substantive benefit you gained from reading these books?

As an adult human, my life experience contains too many variables to reach scientific certainty about the entire causal chain.

However, my early 30s were still marked with a heavy insecurity, ennui, lack of direction, failure to focus and achieve in the workplace, and failed romantic endeavors.

I began with work on boundaries and understanding self by Henry Cloud, ways to achieve like Find Your Strengths, and even business related work like Good to Great.

Flow was an excellent part of this collection, as it helped me turn work into something more enjoyable and progressive. Drive was very neat, and I really enjoyed Your Brain at Work.

I also have a personal interest in education, so I read a lot on that, including by Sir Ken Robinson. And I read Power of Habit.

Overall I think the things I learned improved my habits at home and at work, grounded me, improved my confidence, and made me a better resource for others. (Of course I must not assume I always have the answer or am absolutely right just because I read things in a book.) In general when I have deep conversations, I seem to be able to follow along and better understand how people work and how relationships work.

I'm very happy with my job, feeling very productive, significant and learning new skills (in my 40s). I've been married 6 years and have a very high satisfaction with our marriage. There's still a struggle with getting everything done I want, like gathering firewood for the winter, but largely I feel that I rise to meet my responsibilities.

Now I can't say how much came from dedicating time and effort into learning, and how much comes naturally from experience and age. But I certainly don't regret any of that self-education today.

Re: Mihály Csíkszentmihályi has died

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The correct name is Mihály Csíkszentmihályi (never mind the diacritics, but the "i" appended to the first name is definitely wrong). Explanation for language nerds: Mihály is the Hungarian version of "Michael", Csíkszentmihály is a Hungarian village in Romania with a name derived from St. Michael ( https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mih%C4%83ileni,_Harghita ), and the "i" at the end denotes a toponymic surname ( https://e…

That was copy/paste from the tweet

Re: Mihály Csíkszentmihályi has died

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Might be a strange question to ask, but do you "get" anything out of reading non-fiction? Like, is there a substantive benefit you gained from reading these books?

That is an odd question to ask, lol.

It's a perfectly fine question. A lot of nonfiction books contain their authors' pet theories, along with a bunch of anecdotes and handwaving to make them seem justifiable or even scientific. Some of them quote "scientific" research from fields like psychology - but that research itself is hardly scientific (hence recent replication crisis) and is also used out of context in the book.

As for the question if these books add value - they certainly provide entertainment for the reader, but they may also warp his view of the world (if the reader is not careful, they may become convinced that the book's thesis is true even if the evidence/ancedotes laid out are hardly conclusive).

Re: Mihály Csíkszentmihályi has died

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One of my favorite quotes from his book, Flow : "The ultimate test for the ability to control the quality of experience is what a person does in solitude, with no external demands to give structure to attention. It is relatively easy to become involved with a job, to enjoy the company of friends, to be entertained in a theater or at a concert. But what happens when we are left to our own devices? Alone, when the dark…

> Csíkszentmihályi's Flow also introduced me to Seneca and Marcus Aurelius (although, I prefer Epictetus to Aurelius).

Flow led me down the rabbit hole to philosophical Daoism. It is astonishing how closely intertwined philosophy and psychology turn out to be.

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