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Post by littlestymaar »

bschwindHN wrote: post #507
littlestymaar wrote: post #367

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I share the same feeling, and I'm glad to learn I'm not alone: earlier this year I worked for a (really) sort time with a company who gave me a Macbook M1, which I was pretty excited about. Over the course of the two weeks I worked there, I faced: - frequent glitches when unplugging the HDMI adaptor (an Apple one, which costed an arm and a leg). - non-compatible software (Docker, Sublimetext) - and even a Kernel Pani…

> non-compatible software (Docker, Sublimetext) What was the issue with Sublime? I use it on an M1 every day without issue.

I don't remember exactly, but I couldn't use it.

Keep in mind this was in Jan/Feb 2021, so I'd expect software compatibility with the new chip to have improved dramatically.

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Post by runeks »

ArchOversight wrote: post #171
runeks wrote: post #168

But does it support running x86 Docker images using hardware emulation? This is what's holding me off buying one since I don't know whether to get 16 GB RAM (if it doesn't work) or 32 GB RAM (if it does work).

There is no hardware in the M1's for x86 emulation. Rosetta 2 does on the fly translation for JIT and caches translation for x86_864 binaries on first launch. Docker for Mac runs a VM, inside that VM (which is Linux for ARM) if you run an x86_64 docker image it will use qemu to emulate x86_64 and run Linux Intel ELF binaries as if they were ARM. That means that currently using Docker on macOS if there is a native ARM…

Thank you for the thorough explanation.

Why can’t Rosetta 2 do the x86-to-ARM JIT translation inside the “Docker for Mac” VM instead of using the (presumably slower) QEMU emulation?

Or is QEMU smart enough to do the same translation that Rosetta 2 does which, if I recall correctly, only loses about 25% performance compared to native x86?

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Post by lancepioch »

adrianN wrote: post #605
dijit wrote: post #599

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So what is the trade off you think you’re making? This is weird. I feel like I’m talking to someone who has a fixed opinion against something. It’s good for _everyone_ that these chips are as fast as the best chips on the market, have crazy low power consumption and the cost for new is comparable. Intel have been overcharging for more than a decade when innovation stagnated. Honestly, I’m not so hot on Apple (FD I am…

The tradeoff I'm making is money vs capability. My argument is that most people don't need the capabilities offered by brand new, top of the line models. A used laptop that is a couple of years old is, I think, the best choice for most people.

> My argument is that most people don't need the capabilities offered by brand new, top of the line models. A used laptop that is a couple of years old is, I think, the best choice for most people.

I think you're correct. But also the majority of people will buy brand new ones either way. And a lot of them will spend much more than they should too.

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Post by AndyPa32 »

ylyn wrote: post #624
konart wrote: post #608

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>the OS is worse Worse than what? Windows, that is even in 2021 is still a clanky garbage. Or Linux (any distro) that can't be installed on a newest hardware without any trouble at all (my relatively recent experience). An even then you get an OS that you have to fix yourself for it to work and feel remotely nice. Yet without decent software in most cases outside of software development.

Well I'm someone who hacks on Linux for a living. What do I do now?

I use a AMD Linux machine for work (softfware development).

Now I want to setup a second machine for audio production (Pro Tools and Ableton). For that I have the choice between Windows and Linux. Easy choice for me: M1 and MacOS, I certainly won't dabble with Windows.

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Post by keymone »

musicale wrote: post #620
keymone wrote: post #297

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> * NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 vs M1 Max - OpenCL https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/compare/3551790?bas ... [29.0%] 30% performance for ~15% of power use in laptop form factor? that's not boo, that seems like a clear win for apple.

It's probably possible to build a 3090 system with a 750 watt power supply though.

A laptop?

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Post by jeppester »

EugeneOZ wrote: post #199
mikhailt wrote: post #117

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Many folks are comparing it to previous Macs with macOS, not PCs nor other distros. If you have an Intel Mac next to it, there's a clear noticeable difference assuming macOS is on it. If you put W10 on the Intel Mac, it is much faster than macOS on it (from my own experience). If we could run W10 or Linux on M1, it will be much faster than Intel Mac. Another example, Windows 10/11 on ARM in Parallels on my MBA m1 is…

I’m comparing Windows PC (i7-6700k, nvme) with MBA m1 and MBA is noticeable faster in just everything. Compilation time of JS and Java code is literally 2 times faster on MBA M1 than on desktop i7 CPU.

While the M1 is surely impressive I think you put too much weight on those JS compilation results. Windows is known to be really slow for this specific task since it has poor per-file IO performance - especially when Windows Defender is enabled.

I do my daily work - involving lots of JS compilation - on a i5-4690 running ubuntu server, it's faster than any of my colleagues' much newer MacBook Pros (no M1's yet though). Our Windows laptops are so far behind that it's just awful to watch (3-5 times slower).

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Post by aledthemathguy »

lanza wrote: post #558
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #245

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> I just can't figure out what I'm missing on the "M1 is so fast" side of things. Two reasons: 1. M1 is a super fast laptop chip. It provides mid-range desktop performance in a laptop form factor with mostly fanless operation. No matter how you look at it, that's impressive. 2. Apple really dragged their feet on updating the old Intel Macs before the transition. People in the Mac world (excluding hackintosh) were stu…

You're missing out on the fact that Apple didn't release a 12980hk or 5980hx competitor. These are 30 watt chips that trounce the competition's 65 watt (e.g. the 12980hk and 5980hx) and beyond chips. Hell, this Geekbench is faster than a desktop 125 watt 11900k. It's faster than a desktop 105 watt 5800x. Apple intentionally played to the competition here. They know AMD/Intel reach some performance level X and release…

great post, thank you. curious though - you mention only fabrication advantages. what about the in-house design team? meaning - what about the talent?

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Post by amatecha »

newfonewhodis wrote: post #273
amatecha wrote: post #235

You can find more results at https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?q=Apple+M1+Max (it does, broadly, appear to be pretty comparable to Intel i9-11900K https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?q=Intel+Core+i9-... )

i9-11900K is 125W TDP, and the M1 is probably nowhere near that (M1 is 10-15W TDP)

Yeah, that's one of the most mind-blowing (and awesome) things about these comparisons! So cool :D

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Post by aledthemathguy »

adrianN wrote: post #576
lanza wrote: post #558

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You're missing out on the fact that Apple didn't release a 12980hk or 5980hx competitor. These are 30 watt chips that trounce the competition's 65 watt (e.g. the 12980hk and 5980hx) and beyond chips. Hell, this Geekbench is faster than a desktop 125 watt 11900k. It's faster than a desktop 105 watt 5800x. Apple intentionally played to the competition here. They know AMD/Intel reach some performance level X and release…

> It might be a long time before it makes sense to buy a non-Apple laptop. ...if you only care about the things that Apple laptops are good at. Almost nobody needs a top-of-the-line laptop to do their tasks. Most things that people want to do with computers can be done on a machine that is five to ten years old without any trouble at all. For example I use a ThinkPad T460p, and while the geekbench scores for its proc…

surprised by your experience with an older laptop. I have both a 4 years old dell (forget it's name right now, for biz uses) and a 2015 MBA (which makes it 6 years old now), and they are both getting SLOW. In a vacuum - they are fine, they pull through. but they are notably slow machines. (i prefer windows but can't stand the dell and find myself keep going back to the mba - although youtube sucks on that machine with chrome)

edit: oh the mba battery is still a miracle compared to the dell's, btw

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