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Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by postalrat » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 11:48 PM UTC

localhost wrote: post #396

blakesterz wrote: post #100

I just can't figure out what I'm missing on the "M1 is so fast" side of things. For years I worked* on an Ubuntu desktop machine I built myself. Early this year I switched to a brand new M1 mini and this this is slower and less reliable than the thing I built myself that runs Ubuntu. My Ubuntu machine had a few little issues every no and then. My Mini has weird bugs all the time. e.g. Green Screen Crashes when I have…

I have a three-year old hand-built 16-core ThreadRipper 1950X machine here with 64GB 4-channel RAM. I have a 14" MBP M1 Max on order. I just checked the Geekbench scores between these two machines: M1 Max: 1783 single-core | 12693 multi-core 1950X: 901 single-core | 7409 multi-core That's a big difference that I'm looking forward to. Also, just checked memory bandwidth. I have 80GB/s memory bandwidth [1] on my 1950X.…

So you are comparing a laptop that is just coming out to something 4 years old.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by vineyardmike » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 11:48 PM UTC

thenthenthen wrote: post #293

vineyardmike wrote: post #131

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Disclaimer, I don't have an M1 Mac, but I do have a buggy ubuntu desktop and used Macs my whole technical life. It seems that you're heavily in the minority with this. Even the weird bugs you mention are very unexpected. I've used a Mac for 15 years and never heard of an issue related to thumb drives. You may just have a lemon. See if you can just replace it (warranty, etc, not just spending more money).

Well if you actually do ‘work’ with the device, like installing software thats not in the appstore you might run into some troubles...i love my 2013 macbook air for most daily tasks, but never was there a time where i couldnt do with having a windows and linux device on hand. But yeah, thats just life. Happy to see sobering comment here that the m1 is a ‘mobile’ processor, my 12 year old pc agrees. Another question t…

> Well if you actually do ‘work’ with the device,

LOTS of people "actually do ‘work’" with their macs. Without trouble.

> i love my 2013 macbook air for most daily tasks, but never was there a time where i couldnt do with having a windows and linux device on hand

Are those devices also 8 year old low-mobile-tier hardware optimized for battery use and low thermals? I've never needed a windows or linux computer on hand.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by bredren » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 11:49 PM UTC

munro wrote: post #432

bredren wrote: post #375

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Is there a metal benchmark? This is the score I’ve been most interested in.

Nay, there isn't one for the new M1 Max, but FWIW it's pretty comparable, but OpenCL is a bit faster than Metal. * MacBook Pro (16-inch Late 2019) - Metal https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/3139776 [31,937 metal score] * MacBook Pro (16-inch Late 2019) - OpenCL https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/3139756 [33,280 OpenCL score]

Huh. I was expecting it to be over 80k. This is the blackmagic pro Vega 56 egpu metal score.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by stevespang » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 11:52 PM UTC

LDataReady wrote: post #329

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #245

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> I just can't figure out what I'm missing on the "M1 is so fast" side of things. Two reasons: 1. M1 is a super fast laptop chip. It provides mid-range desktop performance in a laptop form factor with mostly fanless operation. No matter how you look at it, that's impressive. 2. Apple really dragged their feet on updating the old Intel Macs before the transition. People in the Mac world (excluding hackintosh) were stu…

I think people are missing the fact that it’s performance + energy efficiency where M1 blows regular x86 out of the water.

> I think people are missing the fact that it’s performance + energy efficiency where M1 blows regular x86 out of the water - - - EXACTLY. You can choose to compute with a sledge hammer - - or you can use an Xacto knife with much longer battery life in a laptop.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by dralley » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 11:55 PM UTC

flatiron wrote: post #444

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Downside of RHEL is the package repo is anemic and out of date. Sometimes horribly out of date. It's hardly uncommon to run into some issue with an application and then look it up online and find out that the fix was applied 8 versions after the one that's in the repo. Worse is when you start grabbing code off of Git and the configure script bombs out because it wants a library two versions ahead of the one in the re…

This use case begs for arch. Not bloated and up to date upstream and AUR is very robust for the “one off” apps. Rhel on desktop makes sense for development for rhel on servers. Can’t think really of any other use case. At least they could try out centos stream? For all its hate it’s really nice for certain use cases. Although people are religiously against it (rh needs to really work on that before it dies on the vin…

CentOS Stream doesn't significantly change the up-to-date-ness of the packages. It's a few months ahead of RHEL, but RHEL (minor releases) move at the same pace as always, which is to say slowly, so a few months ahead is insignificant.

Fedora is probably better if you want up-to-date packages on a platform that's relatively similar to production.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by dcolkitt » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 11:56 PM UTC

blakesterz wrote: post #100

I just can't figure out what I'm missing on the "M1 is so fast" side of things. For years I worked* on an Ubuntu desktop machine I built myself. Early this year I switched to a brand new M1 mini and this this is slower and less reliable than the thing I built myself that runs Ubuntu. My Ubuntu machine had a few little issues every no and then. My Mini has weird bugs all the time. e.g. Green Screen Crashes when I have…

MacOS just seems to have a lot of stability problems related to peripherals. I don’t think it’s specific to M1. Even on my late-era Intel MBP, Bluetooth and USB often triggers a kernel panic.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by LordDragonfang » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 11:58 PM UTC

alwillis wrote: post #407

shados wrote: post #255

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> Beyond that, it's a little silly to compare a desktop (presumably many times larger, ~500+W power supply, cooling system, etc) with a Mac mini (tiny, laptop chip, no fans, etc). You're totally right, but I see a lot of folks around me making absolutely bonker claims on these M1 devices. If I believed everything I'm told, I'd be expecting them to run complex After Effect rendering at 10000 frames per second.

I think that’s disingenuous. I haven’t seen any claims that haven’t been backed up by benchmarks and specific use cases. What most people keep missing is the M1 jumped out way ahead on performance per watt on their first attempt at making their own processor . I’ve seen the M1 Mac for less than $700. In that price range, there’s not much competition when it comes to computation, GPU performance, etc. and comes fairly…

> on their first attempt at making their own processor.

They've been making their own chips for over a decade now. The M1 is not fundamentally different from the A series, and in fact seems to serve as a drop in replacement (in the iPad Pro line).

That being said, this is the first time they're confident enough in their own processor to rewrite their whole desktop software stack and market what are traditionally mobile-exclusive cpus as being superior to x86 in the personal computing space. And in all honesty, for good reason.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by kllrnohj » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 11:58 PM UTC

hajile wrote: post #288

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Maybe a little surprised - presumably the thermal limitations on a 16 inch laptop are potentially less limiting than on a 13 inch one so that single core could be pushed to a higher frequency?

M1 uses TSMC high-density rather than high-performance. They get 40-60% better transistor density and less leakage (power consumption) at the expense of lower clockspeeds. Also, a core is not necessarily just limited by power. There are often other considerations like pipeline length that affect final target clocks. The fact is that at 3.2GHz, the M1 is very close to a 5800X in single-core performance. When that 5800…

> When that 5800X cranks up 8 cores, it dramatically slows down the clocks

Not that dramatic, it drops from ~4.8ghz to ~4.4ghz: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16214/amd-zen-3-ryzen-deep-di...

Actual drop varying depending on actual power consumption & temperature as Ryzen is more or less an entirely reactive system.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by ben-schaaf » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 12:01 AM UTC

localhost wrote: post #396

blakesterz wrote: post #100

I just can't figure out what I'm missing on the "M1 is so fast" side of things. For years I worked* on an Ubuntu desktop machine I built myself. Early this year I switched to a brand new M1 mini and this this is slower and less reliable than the thing I built myself that runs Ubuntu. My Ubuntu machine had a few little issues every no and then. My Mini has weird bugs all the time. e.g. Green Screen Crashes when I have…

I have a three-year old hand-built 16-core ThreadRipper 1950X machine here with 64GB 4-channel RAM. I have a 14" MBP M1 Max on order. I just checked the Geekbench scores between these two machines: M1 Max: 1783 single-core | 12693 multi-core 1950X: 901 single-core | 7409 multi-core That's a big difference that I'm looking forward to. Also, just checked memory bandwidth. I have 80GB/s memory bandwidth [1] on my 1950X.…

> I have 80GB/s memory bandwidth [1] on my 1950X. The MBP has 400GB/s memory bandwidth. 5x(!)

Your 1950x also doesn't have a GPU. For comparison the rx6700xt, and Vega 56 have ~400GB/s. The 6 year old R9 nano has 500GB/s.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by eulers_secret » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 12:01 AM UTC

delfinom wrote: post #443

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This definitely is a factor. Another thing that people frequently overlook is how competitive Zen 2 is with M1: the 4800u stands toe-to-toe with the M1 in a lot of benchmarks, and consistently beats it in multicore performance. Make no mistake, the M1 is a truly solid processor. It has seriously stiff competition though, and I get the feeling x86 won't be dead for another half decade or so. By then, Apple will be com…

AMD is already planning not only 20% YoY performance improvements for x86 but now has 30x efficiency plan for 2025. I think x86 is in it for much longer than a decade. Intel otoh, depends on if they can gut all the MBAs infesting them.

Alder lake is looking really good in leaked benchmarks. I definitely think Intel is down, but not out.

Have to see if they can not only catch up, but keep up.