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Re: COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lacking for those harmed

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Post by mullingitover » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 10:43 PM UTC

user743 wrote: post #5

2.2M+ adverse reactions in the WHO database. Of course Google, the corporate press, and "independent fact checkers" are saying it lacks context. Most people I know, know at least a few people that had adverse reactions already; let alone ADE or long-term consequences. http://www.vigiaccess.org/

> 2.2M+ adverse reactions in the WHO database.

That's a big stretch.

Take everything on the site with a block of salt, given that that's exactly what they tell you to do:

> The information on this website, therefore, does not reflect any confirmed link between a medicinal product and a side effect

People have been abusing the validity of VigiAccess to make specious claims about adverse effects and it's already been debunked[1].

[1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/10/15/fac...

Re: COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lacking for those harmed

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Post by AndrewBissell » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 10:50 PM UTC

mullingitover wrote: post #3

It's pretty wild that prior to vaccination, smallpox prevention was done by inoculation with actual live smallpox. That story of Washington forcing his troops to be 'vaccinated' is wrong - he exposed them to actual smallpox . Something like 1% of people receiving inoculation would develop full-blown smallpox. No vaccine courts for those folks. There are going to be a lot of one in a million coincidences with this bro…

> Something like 1% of people receiving inoculation would develop full-blown smallpox. No vaccine courts for those folks.

They at least got the benefit of being inoculated against a virus which would have a 30% chance of killing them. This made it very likely for the inoculations to be positive risk tradeoff for all the troops who were ordered to get them. The same is not necessarily true for a healthy 19 year old without comorbidities who is forced to get a Covid vaccination to attend college.

Another point of contrast is that smallpox inoculation was sterilizing and prevented the inoculated from being able to spread the disease.

Re: COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lacking for those harmed

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Post by luxuryballs » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 10:53 PM UTC

Factorium wrote: post #10

https://investinganswers.com/articles/10-most-popular-stocks... Top stock owned by members of congress - Pfizer #6 Johnson and Johnson #7 Moderna stock up 387% YoY: https://investinganswers.com/articles/10-most-popular-stocks... Bill Gates invested $55million into BioNTech in October 2019: https://investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-det... Why are people with COVID antibodies from successful recovery for…

my pet theory on the new push to vaccinate children is they didn’t get as many adults as they expected and need to make up for the sales so now they are marketing to children/parents

Re: COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lacking for those harmed

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Post by help_quanted » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 10:54 PM UTC

Factorium wrote: post #10

https://investinganswers.com/articles/10-most-popular-stocks... Top stock owned by members of congress - Pfizer #6 Johnson and Johnson #7 Moderna stock up 387% YoY: https://investinganswers.com/articles/10-most-popular-stocks... Bill Gates invested $55million into BioNTech in October 2019: https://investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-det... Why are people with COVID antibodies from successful recovery for…

Actually, delta is hospitalizing and killing children at a significantly increased rate relative to the initial virus.

Congress is going to hold blue chip stocks..what specious argument are you're trying to make?

Re: COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lacking for those harmed

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Post by vnchr » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 10:58 PM UTC

Tarsul wrote: post #4

where is the recourse for those who suffer from covid due to negligence of others?

It’s their personal responsibility to get vaccinated if they want to avoid that outcome

Re: COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lacking for those harmed

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Post by mullingitover » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 11:00 PM UTC

AndrewBissell wrote: post #12

mullingitover wrote: post #3

It's pretty wild that prior to vaccination, smallpox prevention was done by inoculation with actual live smallpox. That story of Washington forcing his troops to be 'vaccinated' is wrong - he exposed them to actual smallpox . Something like 1% of people receiving inoculation would develop full-blown smallpox. No vaccine courts for those folks. There are going to be a lot of one in a million coincidences with this bro…

> Something like 1% of people receiving inoculation would develop full-blown smallpox. No vaccine courts for those folks. They at least got the benefit of being inoculated against a virus which would have a 30% chance of killing them. This made it very likely for the inoculations to be positive risk tradeoff for all the troops who were ordered to get them. The same is not necessarily true for a healthy 19 year old wi…

> The same is not necessarily true for a healthy 19 year old without comorbidities who is forced to get a Covid vaccination to attend college.

True, if you only narrowly focus on the immediate benefit to the individual there are head-spinning number of laws and rules that don't make sense in civilization.

Re: COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lacking for those harmed

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Post by user743 » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 11:03 PM UTC

phonypc wrote: post #9

user743 wrote: post #5

2.2M+ adverse reactions in the WHO database. Of course Google, the corporate press, and "independent fact checkers" are saying it lacks context. Most people I know, know at least a few people that had adverse reactions already; let alone ADE or long-term consequences. http://www.vigiaccess.org/

The WHO essentially says it lacks context. Read the "Important points to consider" heading in your link. Namely "VigiAccess cannot be used to infer any confirmed link between a suspected side effect and any specific medicine."

What data on adverse reactions would you all accept?

Re: COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lacking for those harmed

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Post by grillvogel » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 11:04 PM UTC

help_quanted wrote: post #14

Factorium wrote: post #10

https://investinganswers.com/articles/10-most-popular-stocks... Top stock owned by members of congress - Pfizer #6 Johnson and Johnson #7 Moderna stock up 387% YoY: https://investinganswers.com/articles/10-most-popular-stocks... Bill Gates invested $55million into BioNTech in October 2019: https://investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-det... Why are people with COVID antibodies from successful recovery for…

Actually, delta is hospitalizing and killing children at a significantly increased rate relative to the initial virus. Congress is going to hold blue chip stocks..what specious argument are you're trying to make?

source on "significantly increased"? children are more at risk from the flu

Re: COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lacking for those harmed

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Post by Factorium » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 11:04 PM UTC

help_quanted wrote: post #14

Factorium wrote: post #10

https://investinganswers.com/articles/10-most-popular-stocks... Top stock owned by members of congress - Pfizer #6 Johnson and Johnson #7 Moderna stock up 387% YoY: https://investinganswers.com/articles/10-most-popular-stocks... Bill Gates invested $55million into BioNTech in October 2019: https://investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-det... Why are people with COVID antibodies from successful recovery for…

Actually, delta is hospitalizing and killing children at a significantly increased rate relative to the initial virus. Congress is going to hold blue chip stocks..what specious argument are you're trying to make?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

COVID deaths ages 0-17: 542, out of a total of 723,880 total COVID deaths.

0.075% of COVID deaths.

Re: COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lacking for those harmed

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Post by user743 » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 11:07 PM UTC

mullingitover wrote: post #11

user743 wrote: post #5

2.2M+ adverse reactions in the WHO database. Of course Google, the corporate press, and "independent fact checkers" are saying it lacks context. Most people I know, know at least a few people that had adverse reactions already; let alone ADE or long-term consequences. http://www.vigiaccess.org/

> 2.2M+ adverse reactions in the WHO database. That's a big stretch. Take everything on the site with a block of salt, given that that's exactly what they tell you to do : > The information on this website, therefore, does not reflect any confirmed link between a medicinal product and a side effect People have been abusing the validity of VigiAccess to make specious claims about adverse effects and it's already been…

You can't argue with anything that comes out of the corporate press.

I personally think the WHO has been comprised and don't trust them, but I used data associated with them since a lot of people do trust them still.

If you won't trust this data what will you trust?

The most trustworthy source is anecdotal but I know that's not accepted in arguments either.

The censorship is so bad you can't even Google anything anymore so where do you go?