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Android Apps on Windows 11

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Re: Android Apps on Windows 11

#91
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately another of their strength lies in the 3rd part: "extinguish". It's only a matter of time before their recent software of WSL, GitHub and Android on Windows becomes yet another walled garden.

So you're saying it's only a matter of time before Windows, which is 35 years old, might become a walled garden?

I think they kinda tried with the windows store + arm windows surfaces. The market didn't like it.

Re: Android Apps on Windows 11

#92
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're already doing it with WSL specific features such as the DirectX driver. https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/directx-heart-linux/

Am I misreading? It looks like they ported the DirectX runtime to Linux under GPL 2. >> "This is the real and full D3D12 API, no imitations, pretender or reimplementation here… this is the real deal. libd3d12.so is compiled from the same source code as d3d12.dll on Windows but for a Linux target. It offers the same level of functionality and performance (minus virtualization overhead). The only exception is Present()…

I agree, it's a good-faith effort on Microsoft's part. I think people have a hard time believing they can operate in a non-adversarial way (which is understandable if you lived through the 90s lol)

Re: Android Apps on Windows 11

#93

What do people use features like this for?

Was just about to ask the same question. I can't come up with a single Android app I'd like to run on desktop. Is it just an app development thing?

All the streaming services that allow you to download/save shows/movies for offline viewing, only offer that feature on their apps.

Re: Android Apps on Windows 11

#94

What do people use features like this for?

Was just about to ask the same question. I can't come up with a single Android app I'd like to run on desktop. Is it just an app development thing?

It's probably more interesting on things like Microsoft surface. Not sure Microsoft have the stomach for it yet, but they possibly could have another crack at doing phones.

Re: Android Apps on Windows 11

#95

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Or maybe I'd even say "people don't like to use terrible app stores unless forced". Unfortunately, all of the commercial ones I have used are really terrible (gPlay, the Apple App Store, the MS Store), though at least on everything but iOS you aren't 'forced' to use them per se, just aggressively encouraged. It's kind of mind-boggling to me that none of them have managed to make an acceptable example, how hard can se…

I don't think Google Play or the Apple App Store are terrible, at least for end-users. They have the apps people want and function as advertised. The Microsoft Store struggled because initially it was limited to UWP apps. Developers could not easily ship their existing Windows software on it. Microsoft shot themselves in the foot by excluding the store from Windows' biggest selling point: it's extensive library of ex…

Hmm, I would say my experience with gPlay is that the signal-to-noise ratio is very high, often even when you specifically know what you're after, it can be hard to find the app you want and not an imitator. It also goes to great lengths to get promo/featured apps and games in front of you, no matter what. Also the filtering leaves a lot to be desired, for example there's no way to look for a game that has no advertising and no IAP, just a purchase price (the cynic in me assumes that's because of Google's priorities). The Apple App Store (I only deal with it on macOS) has fewer, better apps, but even less filtering/sorting, and maddeningly no kind of wishlist/bookmark, so I sometimes see something passing and mean to check it out, but then can't remember and never try again.

Re: Android Apps on Windows 11

#96

> Windows is the most open platform on the planet for creators. Gaslighting 101

That is an objectively true statement.

Only in a world without Linux distros. Something you have to pay money for, agree to a bunch of dubious legalese, and cede control over how your device operates is pretty much the opposite of "open".

Re: Android Apps on Windows 11

#97
post #75

What do people use features like this for?

In the article, they posted a screenshot where there's an Android game, a WIN32 app (word), a PWA app and a linux app in the same window. So I think Microsoft wants to position Windows 11 as the platform for all apps.

Windows 11 isn't even a tolerable platform for its own apps.

Microsoft should spend more time cleanup up the grotesquely inept and defective experience that is today's Windows.

Re: Android Apps on Windows 11

#98
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're already doing it with WSL specific features such as the DirectX driver. https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/directx-heart-linux/

Am I misreading? It looks like they ported the DirectX runtime to Linux under GPL 2. >> "This is the real and full D3D12 API, no imitations, pretender or reimplementation here… this is the real deal. libd3d12.so is compiled from the same source code as d3d12.dll on Windows but for a Linux target. It offers the same level of functionality and performance (minus virtualization overhead). The only exception is Present()…

According to the blog post mentioned earlier[0]:

1. Their kernel implementation is effectively just a paravirtualized proxy to the Windows DX API. So it won't be useful for bare metal users.

2. Only the kernel driver is open source (and presumably that is only thanks to the GPL). The user-mode library is a proprietary component shipped with Windows. I assume this is also DRMed to only work on top of Hyper-V/WSL2, just like many of their VSCode extensions deliberately block usage with unbranded builds (see also: AARD code[1], this isn't exactly new for them).

[0]: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/directx-heart-linux/

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code

Re: Android Apps on Windows 11

#99

What do people use features like this for?

Was just about to ask the same question. I can't come up with a single Android app I'd like to run on desktop. Is it just an app development thing?

Any app that has developers who think that making an Android version (TAM: 1B+ users) is more important than creating a native Windows version (also 1B+ users), is an app that I will want to run on Windows. I mean, I'd rather have a native Windows app, but if that's not an option, I'd rather have an Android app than a website in most cases.

Re: Android Apps on Windows 11

#100

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No it isn't. You can still install and even build packages using the manifest separately. It is just convenience, but doesn't prevent you from installing them yourself.

Prevent, no. However making your promoted paradigm of software installation rely on repos and package maintainers has lead to practices that make it unlikely that you will find any given piece of software in a form you can just drop onto your system and have it run. If you're really lucky there's a static version or an AppImage, if you're unlucky you're pulling down a docker container of someone's build environment a…

That is on software developers, many of which refuse to package their software. There are Snaps, Appimages, Flatpaks, etc. Free software isn't like Windows where developers are always packaging their software. Package managers don't impact this whatsoever, and what you're basically complaining about is that unpaid contributors make something easier for people that they wouldn't otherwise be able to easily do without them.
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