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Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by Closi »

addingnumbers wrote: post #435
Closi wrote: post #259

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I would assume this is easier if you are indexing more frequently and have been indexing for longer, and Google has more resources to allow them to crawl more often (another advantage to scale in search, which combined with other advantages of scale, is why Google has an effective monopoly IMO). If you recently started crawling you won't be able to detect which content was 'first', and if you don't crawl as frequentl…

> if you don't crawl as frequently as google you are reliant on your crawl frequency being quicker than the 'content stealing' speed. No problem there. If a page hasn't been crawled, it won't be a search result.

I mean you need to crawl often enough that you can determine which site stole content.

If a full crawl of the web takes 3 months and A steals content from B after 2 weeks, it may not be possible to easily infer that A has stolen from B rather than visa-versa.

If I crawl every week and see that A posted it on the first crawl, and B suddenly also had that content on the second crawl, I can infer that B stole from A.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

dx034 wrote: post #95
hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #43

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I just wish I could configure google to not show certain domains such as W3schools without adding a complex search query or installing plugins

To be fair, w3schools and the like don't just copy content. They provide different information and, most importantly, present it differently from official docs. And for many, their way of presenting information may work better.

I acknowledge your opinion but still do not want to see that and several other spam sites over more official sources such as mdn.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by ozten »

"brave aquires search company" - 4th SERP is accurate [1]. Not to shabby! 100% of results from Brave index.

Congrats to Cliqz team.

It is a shame that Brave / Cliqz couldn't work with DuckDuckGo to help them get onto an independent index, assuming they would want that, instead of competing. I think there was already a lot of overlap in customer mindshare.

[1] https://search.brave.com/search?q=brave+aquires+search+compa...

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by sf_rob »

BrendanEich wrote: post #528
sf_rob wrote: post #508

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>You may dislike me I said nothing of the sort. >but your fantasy blame game I did not blame you, only addressed the narrow point of Mozilla "flying high" in 2014. >cannot excuse Mozilla outcomes lately I said nothing about Mozilla's recent history. I get that the tech community has not treated you nicely so I guess I understand reading things defensively, but that doesn't inspire good faith discussion.

What a fake reply. First, you did blame me: "Eich was still at Mozilla (not CEO) when Mozilla under-invested in desktop performance, failed to get Firefox OS off the ground, and most likely laid the groundwork to switching to Yahoo." The last "most likely laid the groundwork" ungrammatically modifies the "Eich was still at Mozilla" and definitely tries to blame me for Firefox making Yahoo default search in Dec. 2014.…

My original response was to someone who set the timeframe (2014), the person (you), and the claim (healthy Mozilla). I'm sorry for suggesting that you might be defensive rather than just disingenuous but thanks for putting it on full display.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by BrendanEich »

sf_rob wrote: post #535
BrendanEich wrote: post #528

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What a fake reply. First, you did blame me: "Eich was still at Mozilla (not CEO) when Mozilla under-invested in desktop performance, failed to get Firefox OS off the ground, and most likely laid the groundwork to switching to Yahoo." The last "most likely laid the groundwork" ungrammatically modifies the "Eich was still at Mozilla" and definitely tries to blame me for Firefox making Yahoo default search in Dec. 2014.…

My original response was to someone who set the timeframe (2014), the person (you), and the claim (healthy Mozilla). I'm sorry for suggesting that you might be defensive rather than just disingenuous but thanks for putting it on full display.

I'm not sorry for noticing that you are worried about being called a liar.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by BrendanEich »

smoldesu wrote: post #522
BrendanEich wrote: post #501

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Here it seems you mean I personally get 30% of gross ad revenue (below you seemed to say I got 30% of all BAT; false also). No, the 30% goes to the company, commissions and costs come out of it, and I get nothing directly tied to it. I get a lower-six-figure salary. Smearing me on false information is a bad look. Doing it again would be lying. Knock it off.

Great, the browser that was supposed to take a stand against Google only managed to cave in to their exact monetization scheme. Somehow I'm not surprised by the fact that you have nothing better to do than respond to Hacker News comments.

No, Brave's opt-in and private/anonymous ad system is not "their exact monetization scheme". Saying it is the same just parades your ignorance or dishonesty. Which is it?

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by jeroenhd »

rglullis wrote: post #210
jeroenhd wrote: post #195

You know what, I welcome a new search provider, even if it's by a cryptocurrency company. I'd rather see Qwant succeed, but their search is having trouble competing with even duckduckgo. What I don't see is where Brave gets its image search results from. After Microsoft blatantly started serving the CCP by blocking queries for "tank man", which as far as I know they've never actually apologised for, just explained it…

Brave has bought a search company that became what is now "Brave Search". They are using their own index. The "third-parties" bit, IIUIC, is the part when their index does not give good results and it falls back to working like startpage: they send the anonymized query to Google/Bing and take the results to send to the user. I believe that the idea is that they can use this as a way to improve their own index. They a…

This is true for their normal search, but for their image search they always seem to say "results from third parties" if you click the info button.

Maybe their image search just hasn't encountered enough websites featuring the word "bird" or maybe their disclaimer is shown more often than intended, but I get the idea that image search is always done externally.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by Nextgrid »

lanterk wrote: post #477
freediver wrote: post #455

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I think that 'reputable' and 'tons of ads and trackers' do not belong in the same sentence. Ad-supported business models incentivize the creation of large quantities of content, because you need a lot of pageviews to earn a little bit of money with ads (since most people either ignore or block ads, if they manage to load the page to see them at all). High quality journalism should have value that we are ready to pay…

And people already complain about paywalls. And even make tools to skip past the paywalls.

The problem with paywalls:

1) they ask for an unreasonable amount of money. If they could just charge what they'd otherwise earn from ad impressions on that particular page view, it would be fine.

2) there is no global, anonymous (from the website's perspective - I don't mind the payment processor keeping records for AML/KYC purposes) micropayments system, and card payment fees make micropayments unsustainable

3) subscribing to the website requires providing personal details, with no guarantee they won't be used for tracking/marketing/etc. Cancelling a subscription is also intentionally made difficult - see the New York Times.

4) all paywalls require subscriptions - there's no "pay per view" mechanism. Do they really expect every web user to have a subscription to dozens of different news websites? Unless you literally spend all day reading news, it's bad value for money.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by freediver »

tommica wrote: post #87
eloisius wrote: post #7

I’ve been using Brave search for several months now. I switched the day that it was announced. The quality is fairly good, but I’m having troubling telling whether it’s just my own halo effect or if the initial quality that experienced has started to slip a little as it indexes more widely or something. At first I was impressed with how little spam ended up in top results, but lately exact queries for Python function…

I remember reading in HN an idea about allowing people to customize the weights used to filter search results - a search engine that provided that, where I could use some curated configuration file. Maybe I could have profiles like "cooking", "programming", "news" and help the search engine even better to understand my intent. Or just have the "don't show results from this site again" button from youtube taken into g…

Kagi Search has "lenses". I have a "Programming", "News 360" lens (news from all sides), HN lens, PDF/Whitepaper lens...

You can see how it works here:

https://twitter.com/vladquant/status/1445298385800470529

(disclaimer: Kagi founder)

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