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Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by ctdonath » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:00 PM UTC

IceWreck wrote: post #136

Why does Apple not open up their hardware to other operating systems like Linux. They will already get our money from the hardware purchases, what more do they want. I know Asahi Linux exists but without Apple's (driver) support it will never reach macOS on M1 level performance. (If someone disagrees, please compare Nouveau with proprietary Nvidia drivers.)

Apple's core competency is selling hardware, with a tightly integrated ecosystem to optimize user experience with that hardware.

There is no incentive to facilitate introducing that hardware into an uncontrolled foreign ecosystem. Apple does not want users looking at their computer while muttering "this sucks" when "this" is an OS+UI famous for incomplete/buggy behavior.

(I've tried going all-in for Linux several times. The amount of "oh, you've got to tweak this..." makes it unusable.)

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by camillomiller » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:00 PM UTC

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #245

blakesterz wrote: post #100

I just can't figure out what I'm missing on the "M1 is so fast" side of things. For years I worked* on an Ubuntu desktop machine I built myself. Early this year I switched to a brand new M1 mini and this this is slower and less reliable than the thing I built myself that runs Ubuntu. My Ubuntu machine had a few little issues every no and then. My Mini has weird bugs all the time. e.g. Green Screen Crashes when I have…

> I just can't figure out what I'm missing on the "M1 is so fast" side of things. Two reasons: 1. M1 is a super fast laptop chip. It provides mid-range desktop performance in a laptop form factor with mostly fanless operation. No matter how you look at it, that's impressive. 2. Apple really dragged their feet on updating the old Intel Macs before the transition. People in the Mac world (excluding hackintosh) were stu…

You need to consider the larger target group of professionals. It's really GPU capabilities that blow everything away. If you don't plan to use your MacBook Pro for video/photo editing or 3D modeling, then a M1 Pro with the same 10-core CPU and 16-core Neural Engine has all you need and costs less. Unless I'm missing something I don't think there much added benefit from the added GPU cores in your scenario, unless you want to go with the maximum configurable memory.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by newfonewhodis » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:00 PM UTC

amatecha wrote: post #235

You can find more results at https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?q=Apple+M1+Max (it does, broadly, appear to be pretty comparable to Intel i9-11900K https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?q=Intel+Core+i9-... )

i9-11900K is 125W TDP, and the M1 is probably nowhere near that (M1 is 10-15W TDP)

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by munro » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:01 PM UTC

Here's the link to the MacBookPro18,2 OpenCL benchmark:

* M1 Max OpenCL https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/3551790 [60,167 OpenCL Score]

Comparing to my current MacBook Pro (16-inch Late 2019) & my Hetzner AX101 server:

* MacBook Pro (16-inch Late 2019) vs M1 Max - CPU https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/10496766?baseli... [single 163.6%, multi 188.8%]

* MacBook Pro (16-inch Late 2019) vs M1 Max - OpenCL https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/compare/3551790?bas... [180.8%]

* Hetzner AX101 vs M1 Max - CPU https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/10496766?baseli... [single 105.0%, multi 86.4%]

* NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 vs M1 Max - OpenCL https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/compare/3551790?bas... [80.7%]

* NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 vs M1 Max - OpenCL https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/compare/3551790?bas... [29.0%, boo]

I'm surprised the MacBook holds its own against the Hetzner AX101's AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-core CPU! The multi-core SQLite performance surprises me, I would think the M1 Max's NVMe is faster than my server's SAMSUNG MZQL23T8HCLS-00A07.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by yazaddaruvala » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:01 PM UTC

hwita wrote: post #105

mhh__ wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. If I bought one of these it would never actually move so I don't actually mind the comparison all that much for my personal use case, obviously it isn't apples to oranges but my point is that this performance is not free.

Then perhaps you may want to wait for Apple to release a desktop-class processor to make the comparison, perhaps early next year?

Its not clear to me that Apple will make a desktop-class processor. The unit economics likely don't make sense for them.

All of Apple's innovation seems to be towards better and cheaper AR/VR hardware. Desktop-class processors would be a distraction for them.

And with all of the top cloud players building custom silicon these days, there is little room for Apple to sell CPUs to the server market even if they were inclined (which they are not).

The only strategic Apple vertical that might align with desktop-class CPUs is the Apple Car initiative and specifically self-driving. Dedicated audio/image/video processing and inference focused hardware could better empower creatives for things like VFX or post-processing or media in general. However, its not clear to me that is enough of a market for Apple's unit economics compared with more iDevice / MacBook sales.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by ctdonath » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:02 PM UTC

PUSH_AX wrote: post #260

walls wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody wants the Linux desktop experience associated with their brand.

Steam hardware?

Operative word: "want".

There was no other viable option.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by varjag » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:02 PM UTC

Someone needs to come up with realistic Mac benchmarks. Like 'seconds it takes for Finder beachball to disappear'. At this metric my M1 sees no improvement over my MB12.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by EvgeniyZh » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:02 PM UTC

Top intel mobile processor appears to be https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/10431820 M1 Max gives 9% boost for single-core and 34% for multicore, with similar or larger (?) TDP -- Intel is 35-45 W, M1 Max is 60W but I assume some of it (a lot?) goes to GPU. Impressive, but probably wouldn't be called revolution if came from Intel.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by klelatti » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:04 PM UTC

munro wrote: post #274

Here's the link to the MacBookPro18,2 OpenCL benchmark: * M1 Max OpenCL https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/3551790 [60,167 OpenCL Score] Comparing to my current MacBook Pro (16-inch Late 2019) & my Hetzner AX101 server: * MacBook Pro (16-inch Late 2019) vs M1 Max - CPU https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/10496766?baseli... [single 163.6%, multi 188.8%] * MacBook Pro (16-inch Late 2019) vs M1 Max - Open…

Thanks - interesting on OpenCL - presumably running on GPU? All that memory opens up some interesting possibilities.

Also I thought Apple was deprecating OpenCL in favour of Metal?

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:04 PM UTC

busymom0 wrote: post #141

diebeforei485 wrote: post #56

I'm in the situation where I really want to pre-order a 14", but I have no idea if going with the base model would be a mistake. Would upgrading to 32GB RAM make Xcode faster? Or would it be a waste of $400?

Depends upon your workflow but I use xcode and android studio and 16gb isn't enough if I run a simulator or emulator. Definitely get the 32gb imo.

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