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Re: Android Apps on Windows 11

#31

Post by unicornporn »

criddell wrote: post #19
ajvs wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately another of their strength lies in the 3rd part: "extinguish". It's only a matter of time before their recent software of WSL, GitHub and Android on Windows becomes yet another walled garden.

So you're saying it's only a matter of time before Windows, which is 35 years old, might become a walled garden?

I find that the argument embedded in that question isn't very insightful.

The developments of personal computing since subscription applications became prevalent and app stores were integrated into operating systems has made things quite different from the era that preceded this one.

Apple used to sell OS upgrades. Today you can basically run Windows 10 for free. The revenue streams are different these days and they have plenty of incentives to turn your OS into a mall.

Re: Android Apps on Windows 11

#32

Post by drcode »

criddell wrote: post #19
ajvs wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately another of their strength lies in the 3rd part: "extinguish". It's only a matter of time before their recent software of WSL, GitHub and Android on Windows becomes yet another walled garden.

So you're saying it's only a matter of time before Windows, which is 35 years old, might become a walled garden?

It is a walled garden since its inception. There is no package manager for building an open package ecosystem, as exists on other OSes.

Re: Android Apps on Windows 11

#33

Post by neogodless »

wyldfire wrote: post #2

> To enable these types of experiences, we are introducing a new component on top of Windows 11 called Windows Subsystem for Android™, which powers the Amazon Appstore and its catalog. The Subsystem includes the Linux kernel and the Android OS based on the Android Open Source Project (AOSP) version 11. > The Windows Subsystem for Android is available across the full spectrum of Windows processor types (AMD, Intel, an…

> The Windows Subsystem for Android is available across the full spectrum of Windows processor types (AMD, Intel, and Qualcomm).

But scroll down to see "Feature-specific requirements for Windows 11"

> Apps available at Amazon Appstore. Additional requirements apply, including 8 GB of RAM, a solid-state drive (SSD), and a supported processor (Intel® Core™ i3 8th Generation, AMD Ryzen™ 3000, Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 8c, or above).

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifica...

Overall, that's much higher requirements than you'd find for WSL or Bluestacks. I wonder why they've set the bar so high!

Re: Android Apps on Windows 11

#34

Post by SahAssar »

wvenable wrote: post #18
SahAssar wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Windows Android layer can only install from the amazon store and does not include any google play stuff, right? Is the amazon android app ecosystem that much better than the current windows store?

To answer your second question, very likely. Microsoft would have zero luck populating their own Android store from scratch. It's a win-win for both companies as they're playing second fiddle to the Google Play Store and maybe even the Samsung store. Attracting developers to submit apps requires a large market.

The question wasn't if it was better than a new, from-scratch store. It was if it was better than the current windows store.

Re: Android Apps on Windows 11

#35

Post by TinkersW »

drcode wrote: post #32
criddell wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're saying it's only a matter of time before Windows, which is 35 years old, might become a walled garden?

It is a walled garden since its inception. There is no package manager for building an open package ecosystem, as exists on other OSes.

I'd say the OS, rather than a language, having a package manager is more of a walled garden..

Re: Android Apps on Windows 11

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Post by melony »

drcode wrote: post #32
criddell wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're saying it's only a matter of time before Windows, which is 35 years old, might become a walled garden?

It is a walled garden since its inception. There is no package manager for building an open package ecosystem, as exists on other OSes.

Where do you think PowerShell's OneGet comes from? It comes from embracing and extending AppGet.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23331287

Re: Android Apps on Windows 11

#37

Post by kjaftaedi »

melony wrote: post #36
drcode wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a walled garden since its inception. There is no package manager for building an open package ecosystem, as exists on other OSes.

Where do you think PowerShell's OneGet comes from? It comes from embracing and extending AppGet. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23331287

You're thinking of WinGet.

OneGet is an open source project run by an open source group at Microsoft and has been around since 2014. It's based on linux package managers.

Re: Android Apps on Windows 11

#38

Post by criddell »

unicornporn wrote: post #31
criddell wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're saying it's only a matter of time before Windows, which is 35 years old, might become a walled garden?

I find that the argument embedded in that question isn't very insightful. The developments of personal computing since subscription applications became prevalent and app stores were integrated into operating systems has made things quite different from the era that preceded this one. Apple used to sell OS upgrades. Today you can basically run Windows 10 for free. The revenue streams are different these days and they…

Windows has essentially always been free. There have been something like two billion PCs sold running Windows. The number of people who purchased a non-OEM copy is relatively small.

Re: Android Apps on Windows 11

#39

Post by sz4kerto »

neogodless wrote: post #33
wyldfire wrote: post #2

> To enable these types of experiences, we are introducing a new component on top of Windows 11 called Windows Subsystem for Android™, which powers the Amazon Appstore and its catalog. The Subsystem includes the Linux kernel and the Android OS based on the Android Open Source Project (AOSP) version 11. > The Windows Subsystem for Android is available across the full spectrum of Windows processor types (AMD, Intel, an…

> The Windows Subsystem for Android is available across the full spectrum of Windows processor types (AMD, Intel, and Qualcomm). But scroll down to see "Feature-specific requirements for Windows 11" > Apps available at Amazon Appstore. Additional requirements apply, including 8 GB of RAM, a solid-state drive (SSD), and a supported processor (Intel® Core™ i3 8th Generation, AMD Ryzen™ 3000, Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 8c, o…

Those are just normal Windows 11 requirements, related to TPM and other hardware features.

Re: Android Apps on Windows 11

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Post by DeathArrow »

SahAssar wrote: post #10
gavin_gee wrote: post #8

(caveat i worked at MS for years but now don't) One of Microsoft's greatest strengths on show here. Embrace and extend. They made a mess of trying to build an app business with windows RT, Windows 8, windows 10. They can't get into the apple appstore ecosystem so they pivot to embracing the Android ecosystem to have an app catalog on windows. (Ironically what google did with Android was the play that Microsoft should…

The Windows Android layer can only install from the amazon store and does not include any google play stuff, right? Is the amazon android app ecosystem that much better than the current windows store?

Probably yes. People don't like to use app stores unless they are forced.
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