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Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by moron4hire » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 8:26 PM UTC

throwawaywindev wrote: post #60

tromp wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems kind of unfair with the NVIDIA using up to 320W of power and having nearly twice the memory bandwidth. But if it runs even half as well as a 3080, that would represent amazing performance per Watt.

I believe they compared it to a ~100W mobile RTX 3080, not a desktop one. And the mobile part can go up to ~160W on gaming laptops like Legion 7 that have better cooling than the MSI one they compared to. They have a huge advantage in performance/watt but not in raw performance. And I wonder how much of that advantage is architecture vs. manufacturing process node.

I am very confused by these claims on M1's GPU performance. I build a WebXR app at work that runs at 120hz on the Quest 2, 90hz on my Pixel 5, and 90hz on my Window 10 desktop with an RTX 2080 with the Samsung Odyssey+ and a 4K display at the same time. And these are just the native refresh rates, you can't run any faster with the way VR rendering is done in the browser. But on my M1 Mac Mini, I get 20hz on a single, 4K screen.

My app doesn't do a lot. It displays high resolution photospheres, performs some teleconferencing, and renders spatialized audio. And like I said, it screams on Snapdragon 865-class hardware.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by hbOY5ENiZloUfnZ » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 8:31 PM UTC

icosahedron wrote: post #195

I'm not exactly proficient with GeekBenchery, but what I see here is that the M1 Max per core barely outperforms the M1? https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/10496766?baseli...

The larger part of the upgrade comes from the GPU rather than the CPU.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by vmception » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 8:31 PM UTC

mikhailt wrote: post #117

blakesterz wrote: post #100

I just can't figure out what I'm missing on the "M1 is so fast" side of things. For years I worked* on an Ubuntu desktop machine I built myself. Early this year I switched to a brand new M1 mini and this this is slower and less reliable than the thing I built myself that runs Ubuntu. My Ubuntu machine had a few little issues every no and then. My Mini has weird bugs all the time. e.g. Green Screen Crashes when I have…

Many folks are comparing it to previous Macs with macOS, not PCs nor other distros. If you have an Intel Mac next to it, there's a clear noticeable difference assuming macOS is on it. If you put W10 on the Intel Mac, it is much faster than macOS on it (from my own experience). If we could run W10 or Linux on M1, it will be much faster than Intel Mac. Another example, Windows 10/11 on ARM in Parallels on my MBA m1 is…

For me, all the gains from a W10 running faster than MacOS are lost because I have to immediately go into control panel to fix everything. Those fast computers are waiting on me to improve the user experience most of the time. I'm personally not really splitting hairs over much longer running processes if I have to walk away anyway.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by throwaway894345 » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 8:31 PM UTC

blakesterz wrote: post #100

I just can't figure out what I'm missing on the "M1 is so fast" side of things. For years I worked* on an Ubuntu desktop machine I built myself. Early this year I switched to a brand new M1 mini and this this is slower and less reliable than the thing I built myself that runs Ubuntu. My Ubuntu machine had a few little issues every no and then. My Mini has weird bugs all the time. e.g. Green Screen Crashes when I have…

That's Docker for Mac versus native Docker. Docker only runs on Linux, so Docker for Mac spins up a linux VM to run your containers. When you mount your Ruby or Python projects into your containers, Docker for Mac marshals tons of filesystem events over the host/guest boundary which absolutely devastates your CPU.

Docker for Mac is really just bad for your use case.

No idea what's going on with the thumb drive, bluetooth, etc.

Beyond that, it's a little silly to compare a desktop (presumably many times larger, ~500+W power supply, cooling system, etc) with a Mac mini (tiny, laptop chip, no fans, etc).

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by amatecha » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 8:32 PM UTC

You can find more results at https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?q=Apple+M1+Max

(it does, broadly, appear to be pretty comparable to Intel i9-11900K https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?q=Intel+Core+i9-... )

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by chrisco255 » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 8:32 PM UTC

blakesterz wrote: post #100

I just can't figure out what I'm missing on the "M1 is so fast" side of things. For years I worked* on an Ubuntu desktop machine I built myself. Early this year I switched to a brand new M1 mini and this this is slower and less reliable than the thing I built myself that runs Ubuntu. My Ubuntu machine had a few little issues every no and then. My Mini has weird bugs all the time. e.g. Green Screen Crashes when I have…

My AMD / Nvidia laptop running Ubuntu has had a number of issues from flash crashes to freeze ups to external monitor connectivity that have progressively gotten better as the drivers were updated. It is likely the drivers are buggy and will probably improve with time.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by munchbunny » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 8:33 PM UTC

EugeneOZ wrote: post #199

mikhailt wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many folks are comparing it to previous Macs with macOS, not PCs nor other distros. If you have an Intel Mac next to it, there's a clear noticeable difference assuming macOS is on it. If you put W10 on the Intel Mac, it is much faster than macOS on it (from my own experience). If we could run W10 or Linux on M1, it will be much faster than Intel Mac. Another example, Windows 10/11 on ARM in Parallels on my MBA m1 is…

I’m comparing Windows PC (i7-6700k, nvme) with MBA m1 and MBA is noticeable faster in just everything. Compilation time of JS and Java code is literally 2 times faster on MBA M1 than on desktop i7 CPU.

Isn't the i7-6700k 3-4 generations older at this point than the m1?

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by czbond » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 8:34 PM UTC

parhamn wrote: post #19

Anyone know how this compares to the M1 Pro? Curious if it's worth the additional $400. The search doesn't seem to allow exact matches.

https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/10479712

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by rahimnathwani » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 8:35 PM UTC

EugeneOZ wrote: post #199

mikhailt wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many folks are comparing it to previous Macs with macOS, not PCs nor other distros. If you have an Intel Mac next to it, there's a clear noticeable difference assuming macOS is on it. If you put W10 on the Intel Mac, it is much faster than macOS on it (from my own experience). If we could run W10 or Linux on M1, it will be much faster than Intel Mac. Another example, Windows 10/11 on ARM in Parallels on my MBA m1 is…

I’m comparing Windows PC (i7-6700k, nvme) with MBA m1 and MBA is noticeable faster in just everything. Compilation time of JS and Java code is literally 2 times faster on MBA M1 than on desktop i7 CPU.

i7-6700k is 6 years old. The current equivalent i7 (i7-11700k) is almost 2x as fast when using all cores.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by dzink » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 8:35 PM UTC

A few days ago there were comments on HN that the Geekbench score on M1 Max was run on an operating system not optimized for M1. Has that changed with this one?