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Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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How decent is Brave as a browser? I've been very hesitant on it as a primary browser due to them starting up their own cryptocurrency (BAT), adding automatic affiliate cryptocurrency links in pages, and a history of serving their own ads on top of others.

Just use Ungoogled Chromium. I'm also the kind of person who's made uneasy by crypto involvement, and Brave's developers have lambasted me in the past for asking why such a ridiculous feature needs to exist in the first place. Oh, and 30% of your Basic Attention Tokens go straight to lining Brendan Eich's wallet. I'll just browse on my own, thank you...

Here it seems you mean I personally get 30% of gross ad revenue (below you seemed to say I got 30% of all BAT; false also). No, the 30% goes to the company, commissions and costs come out of it, and I get nothing directly tied to it. I get a lower-six-figure salary. Smearing me on false information is a bad look. Doing it again would be lying. Knock it off.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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You know what, I welcome a new search provider, even if it's by a cryptocurrency company. I'd rather see Qwant succeed, but their search is having trouble competing with even duckduckgo. What I don't see is where Brave gets its image search results from. After Microsoft blatantly started serving the CCP by blocking queries for "tank man", which as far as I know they've never actually apologised for, just explained it…

Do you welcome a search provider run by a bigoted anti-mask anti-vaxx nutjob?

Because that's what Brave is.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

#503

For non-technical searches, mostly stuff relating to news, politics, or Covid, Google is next to useless at this point due to their attempts to combat misinformation. Even their autocomplete functionality guides potential search queries in an entirely unorganic manner. For instance, something may be trending according to google, while simultaneously being blacklisted as an autocomplete option- if it has Any elements…

I read this as "I can't find stuff because Google blocks misinformation". Every time I search for politics, news, or covid related stuff I find it straight away. News it right at the top with multiple articles available. Politics and COVID I find the offical source straight away.

In case you haven't noticed, HN has a strong extremely conservative contingent. The person you replied to is one of them.

The giveaway is them ranting about "groupthink" and "censorship" from autocomplete.

Scroll down to see people citing Joe Fucking Rogan and spewing misinformation about vaccines.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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post #447

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Which of his claims are you asserting is misinformation?

His anti-vaccination stance (specific to coronavirus, I don't know if he's anti-vax in general). He pushes ivermectin as a valid alternative to the vaccines when the data does not currently back that up.

His stance on covid in general boils down to “be healthy enough that you don’t need a vaccine”. He consistently argues that the real issue is obesity and that being healthy and fit (and taking vitamins) reduces the risk of covid to nearly nil for young people, to the point that even the small risk of vaccine side effects or unknown long term effects could be worth considering. That’s not the same as telling people not to get vaccinated.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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post #470

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He's not an anti-vaxxer. He is pro-vaccine for all other illnesses. He's also said he doesn't care if you choose to take it, just don't mandate it For all people when the science is not clear about the cost:benefit ratio for certain populations such as children. That being against mandating these emergency experimental COVID-19 vaccines for all individuals is being conflated as being an "anti-vaxxer" shows how much p…

I'm not conflating the two, I didn't say anything about his stance on the mandates. > That being against mandating these emergency experimental COVID-19 vaccines They are not "experimental" by the way, THAT is propaganda/misinformation.

All medicine is experimental to some degree, until you have years of data.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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post #470
post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His anti-vaccination stance (specific to coronavirus, I don't know if he's anti-vax in general). He pushes ivermectin as a valid alternative to the vaccines when the data does not currently back that up.

He's not an anti-vaxxer. He is pro-vaccine for all other illnesses. He's also said he doesn't care if you choose to take it, just don't mandate it For all people when the science is not clear about the cost:benefit ratio for certain populations such as children. That being against mandating these emergency experimental COVID-19 vaccines for all individuals is being conflated as being an "anti-vaxxer" shows how much p…

> when the science is not clear about the cost:benefit

It is clear

> emergency experimental COVID-19 vaccines

They're not "experimental" and the emergency approval process is still extensive.

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emerge...

> What is the process that manufacturers are following to potentially make a COVID-19 vaccine available by EUA?

> Vaccine manufacturers are undertaking a development process that includes tens of thousands of study participants to generate non-clinical, clinical, and manufacturing information needed by FDA for the agency to determine whether the known and potential benefits outweigh the known and potential risks of a vaccine for the prevention of COVID-19.

> When the phase 3 portion of the human clinical trial reaches a predetermined point that informs how well a vaccine prevents COVID-19, as discussed and agreed to in advance with FDA, an independent group (called a data safety monitoring board) will review the data and inform the manufacturer of the results. Based on the data and the interpretation of the data by this group, manufacturers decide whether and when to submit an EUA request to FDA, taking into consideration input from FDA.

> After FDA receives an EUA request, our career scientists and physicians will evaluate all of the information included in the manufacturer’s submission.

> While FDA’s evaluation is ongoing, we will also schedule a public meeting of our Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee, which is made up of external scientific and public health experts from throughout the country. During the meeting, these experts, who are carefully screened for any potential conflicts of interest, will discuss the safety and effectiveness data so that the public and scientific community will have a clear understanding of the data and information that FDA is evaluating to make a decision whether to authorize a COVID-19 vaccine for emergency use. > Following the advisory committee meeting, FDA’s career professional staff will consider the input of the advisory committee members and continue their evaluation of the submission to determine whether the available safety and effectiveness and manufacturing data support an emergency use authorization of the specific COVID-19 vaccine in the United States.

Hmmmm, who to trust...a so-so actor from a 90's sitcom, or hundreds of scientists

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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post #449

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Importantly: The donations go to Mozilla Foundation, not to its for-profit subsidiary Mozilla Corp. MozCorp is who develop Firefox, the Foundation focuses more on political activism. If you want to help fund the people developing Firefox, one of the Corporation's paid products is the place to send your money.

Why is Mozilla Foundation doing political activism? Is it just some money-grabbing scheme or what? Mitchell Baker's blog: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/author/mitchellmozillacom/ Not a single word about Firefox, just some far-left propaganda about racial justice, empowered women in tech, Trump bad, and so.

I am not sure I want to know about your political opinions if you consider Mitchell as being "far-left" (not that I'm a great fan of hers). That is certainly not what the far left is, neither historically nor in the contemporary world.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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post #357

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>they were flying high. Per StatCounter, Mozilla's market share decline started in early 2010 (including mobile, late 2010 for desktop only) and Eich was fired (resigned, but that's BS) in early 2014. Eich was still at Mozilla (not CEO) when Mozilla under-invested in desktop performance, failed to get Firefox OS off the ground, and most likely laid the groundwork to switching to Yahoo.

I was influencer only until 2013 when I took over engineering, so I’ll take some blame for desktop, especially from then till I left. Mozilla bungled Firefox OS after I left, lost Andreas Gal and most of the top talent, lost Li Gong, while KaiOS based on same code and business plan, with some of the talent, took over and grew to over 200M phones. Blame Mozilla there. I had nothing to do with the switch to Yahoo. That…

>You may dislike me

I said nothing of the sort.

>but your fantasy blame game

I did not blame you, only addressed the narrow point of Mozilla "flying high" in 2014.

>cannot excuse Mozilla outcomes lately

I said nothing about Mozilla's recent history.

I get that the tech community has not treated you nicely so I guess I understand reading things defensively, but that doesn't inspire good faith discussion.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

#509

I'm actually tempted to start using Brave. I'm still holding out with Firefox despite Mozilla trying very hard to get rid of us (to the point where the thought has struck me more than once if the current CEO of Mozilla is in the pocket of Google). If at some point the last competing mainstream browser engine is gone I'll probably go for Brave and I might start testing it this week.

I totally get you, as a long time Mozilla fan, I'm sad to see the direction towards which Firefox and Mozilla as a whole are going. But it's not like Brave is ethically or technically better. They use Blink (the same engine as Chrome) and therefore contribute to the mono-culture of the web.[1] They collect donations on behalf of content creators[2], they created this "Attention Token" based on etherium to replace ads…

We do indeed use Chromium, though patched for security and privacy reasons (see https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/Deviations-from-...). I don't see how that's an ethical or technical mark against us, however. Early on we did tests with Gecko, but soon found that if we were to build a compatible (with the Web as it is) browser, we'd need to do so with Chromium.

Your claim that Brave collected donations on behalf of others is quite misleading. There was a bit of confusing UI in our early tips interface (called 'Payments' at the time). We clearly marked verified creators as such, but gave no special marking for unverified creators (our approach resembled that of Twitter's blue checkmarks).

Regarding the "donations" themselves, we allowed Brave users to direct BAT from our user-growth pool (that is, Brave's own tokens) to creators. If those tokens were not claimed by the intended recipient after 1 year, they (Brave's tokens) would be recycled back into the system. As Wikipedia records, there were major UI/UX changes made about 48 hours later which dramatically improved the feature, IMHO.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>they were flying high. Per StatCounter, Mozilla's market share decline started in early 2010 (including mobile, late 2010 for desktop only) and Eich was fired (resigned, but that's BS) in early 2014. Eich was still at Mozilla (not CEO) when Mozilla under-invested in desktop performance, failed to get Firefox OS off the ground, and most likely laid the groundwork to switching to Yahoo.

I was influencer only until 2013 when I took over engineering, so I’ll take some blame for desktop, especially from then till I left. Mozilla bungled Firefox OS after I left, lost Andreas Gal and most of the top talent, lost Li Gong, while KaiOS based on same code and business plan, with some of the talent, took over and grew to over 200M phones. Blame Mozilla there. I had nothing to do with the switch to Yahoo. That…

Any thoughts on rebasing Brave to Rust, or else picking up the now-defunct Servo project?
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