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Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by dragonwriter »

me_me_me wrote: post #16
JohnWhigham wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it funny that there's been virtually no discussion about his trans comedian friend (forget their name) and how the bullying they received because she stuck up for Chappelle drove her to suicide. You'd think the trans community should stop and reflect on why this happened. But nope, apparently their death is justified because Chappelle bad!

> and how the bullying they received because she stuck up for Chappelle drove her to suicide Thats exactly what Chappelle did not say. He said that the bulling might not caused the suicide, but it sure did not help. I find it baffling that he developed a quite deep relationship with her - a transgender person - gave her a golden ticket (frontrunning for of the biggest comedians) as a token of appreciation and he gets…

> I find it baffling that he developed a quite deep relationship with her - a transgender person - gave her a golden ticket (frontrunning for of the biggest comedians) as a token of appreciation and he gets called out as anti trans person.

As a Black person, the most common and tired defense of White racists has always been “Look at this one Black person I treated well, that proves I’m not a racist.”

I guess its some kind of progress that that's now a defense against charges of bigotry by Black people as well as against them.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by toyg »

dragonwriter wrote: post #68
toyg wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dave Chappelle belongs to a minority too. In fact, a minority of a minority (black comedians) - unlike most trans. Watch the show, he talks about this too.

> Dave Chappelle belongs to a minority too. In fact, a minority of a minority (black comedians) - unlike most trans. “Minority” in the relevant sense is not “group that constitutes less than 50%” but “group that is a historical target of large scale social discrimination inn the society which is the context of discussion” (the term “minority” is an accident of history; had the language developed first in, say, aparth…

Playing semantics will not change the fact that this political battle is hugely overblown. There is precious little "activism energy" coming from tech people, and what do they spend it on? A campaign supporting "white men who happen to have strong kinks" against a self-made black comedian. And when you point it out, they go "support minorities!" while in fact shooting down actual bona-fide minorities.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by dragonwriter »

toyg wrote: post #72
dragonwriter wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Dave Chappelle belongs to a minority too. In fact, a minority of a minority (black comedians) - unlike most trans. “Minority” in the relevant sense is not “group that constitutes less than 50%” but “group that is a historical target of large scale social discrimination inn the society which is the context of discussion” (the term “minority” is an accident of history; had the language developed first in, say, aparth…

Playing semantics will not change the fact that this political battle is hugely overblown. There is precious little "activism energy" coming from tech people, and what do they spend it on? A campaign supporting "white men who happen to have strong kinks" against a self-made black comedian. And when you point it out, they go "support minorities!" while in fact shooting down actual bona-fide minorities.

> A campaign supporting "white men who happen to have strong kinks"

Transgender people aren't all men (whether you are referring to gender identity or, as seems more likely from the overall tenor of your comment, a bigoted misgendering by sex assigned at birth), and are disproportionately Black and Hispanic compared to the general population.

> shooting down actual bona-fide minorities.

The idea that trans people aren't a bona fide minority whereas comedians are is...odd.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by me_me_me »

dragonwriter wrote: post #71
me_me_me wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and how the bullying they received because she stuck up for Chappelle drove her to suicide Thats exactly what Chappelle did not say. He said that the bulling might not caused the suicide, but it sure did not help. I find it baffling that he developed a quite deep relationship with her - a transgender person - gave her a golden ticket (frontrunning for of the biggest comedians) as a token of appreciation and he gets…

> I find it baffling that he developed a quite deep relationship with her - a transgender person - gave her a golden ticket (frontrunning for of the biggest comedians) as a token of appreciation and he gets called out as anti trans person. As a Black person, the most common and tired defense of White racists has always been “Look at this one Black person I treated well, that proves I’m not a racist.” I guess its some…

You are getting downvoted because you are missing the point so profoundly, that is hard to begin why its wrong.

The 'I am not racist I have a black friend' is used for a token acquaintance 'prove' you cannot be racist.

There were some really deep points made there, my favourite was (I paraphrase) "i dont need you to understand me, I need you to acknowledge my human experience".

Just because Chappelle and others are not 100% OK with everything that X movement/group is saying it doesn't mean he and others are anti-X.

The problem is with people's lack of nuance - the black and white thinking, and not listening/reading actual source of the topic :p when speaking out.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by toyg »

dragonwriter wrote: post #73
toyg wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Playing semantics will not change the fact that this political battle is hugely overblown. There is precious little "activism energy" coming from tech people, and what do they spend it on? A campaign supporting "white men who happen to have strong kinks" against a self-made black comedian. And when you point it out, they go "support minorities!" while in fact shooting down actual bona-fide minorities.

> A campaign supporting "white men who happen to have strong kinks" Transgender people aren't all men (whether you are referring to gender identity or, as seems more likely from the overall tenor of your comment, a bigoted misgendering by sex assigned at birth), and are disproportionately Black and Hispanic compared to the general population. > shooting down actual bona-fide minorities. The idea that trans people are…

I'm sorry, I'm not enlightened enough to go down a rabbit hole of made-up categories invented by academics trying to justify their salaries in suspect disciplines. It would be like discussing the characteristics of a divinity: just accepting the debate means legitimising the unprovable.

And yes, my guess is that black comedians as a minority are more worthy of protection and support than (activist white) trans people. At least they make me laugh, instead of making problems.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

me_me_me wrote: post #74
dragonwriter wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I find it baffling that he developed a quite deep relationship with her - a transgender person - gave her a golden ticket (frontrunning for of the biggest comedians) as a token of appreciation and he gets called out as anti trans person. As a Black person, the most common and tired defense of White racists has always been “Look at this one Black person I treated well, that proves I’m not a racist.” I guess its some…

You are getting downvoted because you are missing the point so profoundly, that is hard to begin why its wrong. The 'I am not racist I have a black friend' is used for a token acquaintance 'prove' you cannot be racist. There were some really deep points made there, my favourite was (I paraphrase) "i dont need you to understand me, I need you to acknowledge my human experience". Just because Chappelle and others are n…

> The problem is with people's lack of nuance - the black and white thinking, and not listening/reading actual source of the topic :p when speaking out.

This is what makes me sad. When someone says, "A is B", they don't just say "A is B", they demand that you accept this view. You cannot say "A is almost B", you cannot ask "is A 100% B?" you can't even say "let's talk about it!" You either agree to a given viewset 100%, or are labelled as an enemy, hater and whatnot.

And we do deal with situations that are nuanced. Not just that, they have real-life implications for the whole society. Jess and Scott Smith are suing Loudoun County because the views that were imposed on them led to a tragedy. It seems as if in a race towards extreme progressivism the common sense has been lost.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by dragonwriter »

me_me_me wrote: post #74
dragonwriter wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I find it baffling that he developed a quite deep relationship with her - a transgender person - gave her a golden ticket (frontrunning for of the biggest comedians) as a token of appreciation and he gets called out as anti trans person. As a Black person, the most common and tired defense of White racists has always been “Look at this one Black person I treated well, that proves I’m not a racist.” I guess its some…

You are getting downvoted because you are missing the point so profoundly, that is hard to begin why its wrong. The 'I am not racist I have a black friend' is used for a token acquaintance 'prove' you cannot be racist. There were some really deep points made there, my favourite was (I paraphrase) "i dont need you to understand me, I need you to acknowledge my human experience". Just because Chappelle and others are n…

> You are getting downvoted because

If you have an argument to make, make it, but trying to marshal current net voting as evidence of support so that you can make an ad populum argument is kind of dumb, in part because ad populum is a fallacy, in part because there is never any support for your attribution of motive to voting, and also in part because net vote totals are...rather fluid on HN.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

toyg wrote: post #15
JohnWhigham wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it funny that there's been virtually no discussion about his trans comedian friend (forget their name) and how the bullying they received because she stuck up for Chappelle drove her to suicide. You'd think the trans community should stop and reflect on why this happened. But nope, apparently their death is justified because Chappelle bad!

I have friends involved in the LGBT community since forever, and even them openly admit that the trans community is a cesspool. One thing that has become abundantly clear through history is that even marginalized groups, once empowered, have the potential (and often a vengeful inclination) to make others suffer.

> I have friends involved in the LGBT community since forever, and even them openly admit that the trans community is a cesspool.

Is there even a "trans community"? As far as I can tell, they try to stick together with the LGB crowd, rather successfully. The groups that are skeptical of T founded their own organizations, but I'd say they're very much a minority. Trans-progressivism is very much main stream, also as far as laws in different countries are concerned.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by missinfo »

JohnWhigham wrote: post #9

Bill Burr said it best: everyone always laughs at the jokes about other groups, but when the jokes are about their group, they can never handle them.

"they can never handle them." -> "a vocal minority can't handle them."

Bill jokes about everyone. Dave jokes about everyone. South Park jokes about everyone. Most are fine with that and are able to laugh at themselves.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by dragonwriter »

falcolas wrote: post #57
NikolaeVarius wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once again, that is what you claim, in the same way that right-wingers point to the fact that we have had a black-president so racism isn't a problem anymore. Why do your claims have more truthiness than theirs?

Because my claims are falsifiable? Christianity accounts for 2.3 Billion people in the world, the next highest is Islam at 1.9 Billion. Unaffiliated (of which Athiests are only a portion) is only 1.2 Billion worldwide. Thus, Christianity is, by definition, a majority. In one example to prove my second point, politicians in Texas are pushing Christian morality around abortion into laws. This is the opposite of being o…

> Thus, Christianity is, by definition, a majority.

No, its a plurality, which is a minority that is bigger than any other minority when there is bo majority.

OTOH, the popular use of “minority” that is being referenced doesn't mean mathematical minority, it means “historically systematically oppressed group”; it evolved from the language around race in the US, where whites were the majority and minorities (especially blacks) were oppressed on the basis of race, but the key reference is the oppression not the numerical relationship.

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