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Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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post #256

But there is a dislike button in Spotify, specifically in the Discover Weekly playlist where most of the recommendations happen? https://community.spotify.com/t5/Implemented-Ideas/Discover-...

Discover Weekly has been de-prioritized. It used to be left right and center...

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

#632
post #256

But there is a dislike button in Spotify, specifically in the Discover Weekly playlist where most of the recommendations happen? https://community.spotify.com/t5/Implemented-Ideas/Discover-...

The dislike button seems to come and go at random. Sometimes it's available in the desktop app, sometimes not. Sometimes I have the option to dislike songs in CarPlay, sometimes not. It's as if they hired B. F. Skinner as an engineering consultant.

And most people didn't use it so they (mostly) got rid of it..

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

#633
post #256

But there is a dislike button in Spotify, specifically in the Discover Weekly playlist where most of the recommendations happen? https://community.spotify.com/t5/Implemented-Ideas/Discover-...

No... unfortunately, that has been gone for probably close to a year now, replaced with a "Hide Song" button that doesn't seem to influence the algorithm in any way.

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Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

#634

For brevity and the same length of text, I think it should be called the Nope button. (I thought of Hate, but it's too strong if the existing one is Like and not Love.) ...but whatever happened to rating instead of binary choices? I have a theory that making people think of things in only binary terms intrinsically causes divisiveness.

Exactly! I'm the creator of Piki, the Cornell Tech app mentioned in the article. Give it a try, if you want next level recommendations https://piki.page.link/Rng5

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

#635

It's not just a matter of recommending songs I don't like. While Spotify does this a lot it wouldn't solve two more subtle issues with its daily playlists and random play: 1. Even for artists I really like it tends to always choose the same few songs. It's especially annoying for artists with a huge discography. 2. There seem to be some categories which Spotify uses for its daily mixes which don't make for good playl…

I'm the creator of Piki, the Cornell Tech app mentioned in the article. Give it a try, if you want next level recommendations https://piki.page.link/Rng5

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

#636

> Cornell researchers recently asked the question: Why do they still not let you vote down a song? They do. "skip" does things other than skip the song. They also had a dedicated dislike button and removed it years ago. Apparently what they are doing now works better. > Specifically, they demonstrated that a listener is roughly 20 percent more likely to “like” a song if the algorithm is trained on 400,000 likes and d…

I'm the creator of Piki, the Cornell Tech app mentioned in the article. Give it a try, if you want next level recommendations https://piki.page.link/Rng5

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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post #460

> Cornell researchers recently asked the question: Why do they still not let you vote down a song? They do. "skip" does things other than skip the song. They also had a dedicated dislike button and removed it years ago. Apparently what they are doing now works better. > Specifically, they demonstrated that a listener is roughly 20 percent more likely to “like” a song if the algorithm is trained on 400,000 likes and d…

When you remove a song from one of the auto-generated playlists (Discover Weekly / Release Radar) the app requires you to specify a reason, “I don’t like this song/artist”. Isn’t this effectively a dislike button? Or is this input not used in playlist generation?

Dislikes are not used in a fundamental way other than banning this song from future recommendations. I'm the creator of Piki, the Cornell Tech app mentioned in the article. Give it a try, if you want next level recommendations https://piki.page.link/Rng5

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They do. "skip" does things other than skip the song. This seems very unlikely as some people enjoy listening to just certain parts of a song.

Do you know if the algorithm takes that into account? I also became suspect of the behavior of the skip button, I sometimes skip songs of artists I really like and could observe that I did not get them recommended anymore until I explictly played a song of them. Of course this could be just random luck but it made me careful to skip my favorite songs and instead I open the playlist and select the next song.

The algo simply bans the songs you dislike. Skipping might just mean you are not in the mood for that song right now. I'm the creator of Piki, the Cornell Tech app mentioned in the article. Give it a try, if you want next level recommendations https://piki.page.link/Rng5

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

#639
post #519

I mostly use playlists generated by this service https://everynoise.com/ (you can get to them with desktop client by pasting playlist links from the site to the spotify client search box.) From the site: "Every Noise at Once is an ongoing attempt at an algorithmically-generated, readability-adjusted scatter-plot of the musical genre-space, based on data tracked and analyzed for 5,646 genre-shaped distinctions by Spot…

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Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

#640

I think many services nowadays end up offering a worst user experience in the name of "simplifying their interface" (I imagine this must be the only reason why Spotify wouldn't add this option). Not only on this case but, for instance, it would be nice if spotify easily allowed someone to import their playlist from other services, or even from some text playlist. But they don't add these options. And I don't understa…

Exactly! Spotify already has a complicated interface and wants to keep things simpler. I'm the creator of Piki, the Cornell Tech app mentioned in the article. Give it a try, if you want next level recommendations https://piki.page.link/Rng5
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