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Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by Proven »

pythux wrote: post #241
leodriesch wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hadn’t thought about the native ad blocking feature^^ it is indeed a bit contradictory.

Brave browser does not block first-party ads by default so it should not be contradictory. If a user decides to enable aggressive mode of Shield then fist-party ads are blocked as well.

Aggressive mode? What's that setting called? Because I don't see it in Brave on iPad.

I hope it's not "block JS" because that would make the browser unusable.

I tried BSE with ad blocking on and had to scroll down past the ads to see the first result. Plus it's not possible tell for sure when ads begin and end.

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Post by symlinkk »

mehphp wrote: post #321
ajvs wrote: post #319

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Joe Rogan also commented on this cover-up a few days ago: > "Look, if I wanted to find specific cases about people who died from vaccine-related injuries, I had to go to Duck Duck Go. I wasn’t finding them on Google,” Rogan urged. [1] https://summit.news/2021/10/19/video-joe-rogan-accuses-googl...

It's sad that Joe Rogan comes up as any kind of authority on anything besides mixed martial arts.

Why do you need to be an “authority” to talk about what you saw with your own eyes on a search engine?

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Post by katsura »

jb1991 wrote: post #49
eloisius wrote: post #7

I’ve been using Brave search for several months now. I switched the day that it was announced. The quality is fairly good, but I’m having troubling telling whether it’s just my own halo effect or if the initial quality that experienced has started to slip a little as it indexes more widely or something. At first I was impressed with how little spam ended up in top results, but lately exact queries for Python function…

I have personally found that when searching for developer documentation, as you mentioned, unfortunately nothing beats Google. I can always find what I’m looking for very quickly. But when I try DuckDuckGo, it’s a mess of irrelevant or weak pages.

I noticed the exact same thing there. Usually, when I don't get results I just append !g after the search terms, and google yields much better results. But what I'm most bothered by DDG nowadays is that on my phone the first 2-3 results (which on a phone basically means the whole visible area) are quite frequently ads.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by kangasp »

beefield wrote: post #242
jeroenhd wrote: post #195

You know what, I welcome a new search provider, even if it's by a cryptocurrency company. I'd rather see Qwant succeed, but their search is having trouble competing with even duckduckgo. What I don't see is where Brave gets its image search results from. After Microsoft blatantly started serving the CCP by blocking queries for "tank man", which as far as I know they've never actually apologised for, just explained it…

> I'd rather see Qwant succeed, but their search is having trouble competing with even duckduckgo Weird. I have found Qwant giving better results than ddg. (No affiliation) What is weird is that there is one small change that would likely make any of these engines outperform others in everyday usage. Just let me (easily) blacklist domains in my results.

I often want to block domains. If you give me one more pinterest link...

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Post by [deleted] »

Kiro wrote: post #283
_fnhr wrote: post #257

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Google, when used with double quotes and exact title, finds aggregator sites, but I was simulating looking for the original: https://joshmitteldorf.scienceblog.com/2020/07/08/politics-i... Here is one more, search: Ten Elements of the False COVID Narrative Google: nowhere Brave: first result And it's not like Google just didn't index the site, it works for topics that are "less controversial", search: Universal Clock…

None of your examples do what you say for me. I see everything on Google including your comments here.

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Post by judge2020 »

yonaguska wrote: post #345
that_guy_iain wrote: post #332

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> I read this as "Google is perfectly capable of determining the truth". Well, OP was the one that defined the info they were looking for as misinformation as far as I can tell. And then I stated I could find offical sources for politcs and COVID. These are not Google's opinions but simply a fact. WHO, RKI, CDC, etc are all offical sources of information for COVID, etc. This is not them define what is true or false b…

Nope, I'm not looking for misinformation. I said that Google's attempts at combatting misinformation often hinders my searches. Oftentimes, I'll be looking for a pre-print or something from a scientific journal that is tangentially related to Covid, but Google will basically spam the official CDC, WHO, and news articles urging people to get vaccinated. For any political news, sometimes I'll be looking to verify a sto…

Trying to look specifically for research papers on regular Google search is always a bad idea, covid or not, which is why https://scholar.google.com is a thing.

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Post by sf_rob »

sam_goody wrote: post #240
skinkestek wrote: post #176

I'm actually tempted to start using Brave. I'm still holding out with Firefox despite Mozilla trying very hard to get rid of us (to the point where the thought has struck me more than once if the current CEO of Mozilla is in the pocket of Google). If at some point the last competing mainstream browser engine is gone I'll probably go for Brave and I might start testing it this week.

Well, you know, Brendan Eich was CEO of Mozilla and they were flying high. Then he got cancelled, and with it was cancelled the dream of having a real platform that can compete with Google. (Brave, with all of its advantages, is still a fork of Chrome and in that way promotes the Chrome monopoly.) Since then, the new CEO of Mozilla has made herself a lot of money, and she seems perfectly happy to destroy the long ter…

>they were flying high.

Per StatCounter, Mozilla's market share decline started in early 2010 (including mobile, late 2010 for desktop only) and Eich was fired (resigned, but that's BS) in early 2014.

Eich was still at Mozilla (not CEO) when Mozilla under-invested in desktop performance, failed to get Firefox OS off the ground, and most likely laid the groundwork to switching to Yahoo.

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Post by Whitespace »

bodge5000 wrote: post #310
pmurt7 wrote: post #235

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Mitchell Baker (Mozilla CEO) makes $3 million a year, and Mozilla asks you to donate "to help a nonprofit organization". "On the same period, Firefox marketshare was down 85%. When asked about her salary she stated "I learned that my pay was about an 80% discount to market. Meaning that competitive roles elsewhere were paying about 5 times as much. That's too big a discount to ask people and their families to commit…

"...That's too big a discount to ask people and their families to commit to." Can anyone explain what this actually means? It sounds like she's saying that taking a lower pay by 5x is too much to ask of her, but then "people and their families" doesn't make any sense, because its 1 person and 1 family. Thats not even getting into how true is may or may not be, or how its still a lot of money overall, even if its not…

I read it as, "that's too big a discount to ask [qualified CEO candidates] and their families to commit to."

In other words: good luck finding a qualified person to run Mozilla.

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Post by rglullis »

twobitshifter wrote: post #349
rglullis wrote: post #274

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In your example, Chrome is to Android as Chromium is to AOSP. They can not close the Chromium parts, much like they can not close the AOSP parts. Having MS Edge and Brave becoming too popular would be akin to getting LineageOS, /e/OS to mainstream, and it is exactly my point: no matter how much that would be against Google's interests, there is nothing they can do about it.

Lineage and e are both at a disadvantage because of a lack of Google play integration which makes banking apps among others not function. People can hack around this but the OS will never end up mainstream as a result. To do the same to chromium, all Google would need to do is make YouTube rely on some proprietary DRM that’s not in Chromium and everyone will end up switching back to chrome. Brave isn’t large enough t…

> People can hack around this but the OS will never end up mainstream as a result

Not people. Companies.

Microsoft and Brave are only piggy-backing on Google's resources and manpower. It's not like they can't they do it, it's more of a "why should we try to set sail now while there is a huge transatlantic ship that can carry us?".

If Google starts neutering Chromium, it's on Microsoft, Brave and all other browsers depending on it will pick up the slack.

And if they don't, that's when it makes sense to look for a Chromium-free alternative.

If Mozilla's problems were financial or lack of capacity to get the resources to work on the browser, at least you'd have a point in saying "we need to support the alternatives now". But Mozilla's problems are not financial, they are due to bad leadership. No amount of money thrown their way is going to solve it.

> Brave isn’t large enough that Google cares

Google asked Brave to testify in Congress in their favor, to say that Google is not abusing its dominance on the web. Google can not swat them away.

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Post by [deleted] »

Proven wrote: post #309
eloisius wrote: post #143

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I just found a timely example of one of these sites that republish GitHub issues as their own content. Trying to understand a fairly specific Tensorflow error. Pasted an exact phrase query and the top result is gitmemory dot com. The content is horribly formatted, obviously just a low-effort scrape job. The author is attributed, but the link links to another page on this site that even says it just pull the data stra…

Worst shitsite on the web. It contains nothing useful, original or unique. I'd like to know what's Google's excuse for blacklisting that domain into oblivion. I have a greasemonkey script that blocks domains from being shown in GSE results. Works well, but I don't have it on all of my browsers.

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