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Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by silicon2401 »

mc32 wrote: post #3

Many things are upsetting to many people. I don't think it's viable to always bow to demands of your most strident members. Chapelle is a dissenter, I think he has as much a right to express his opinion as other provocateurs. We've had shows from Netflix which border on child exploitation and skate somewhat close to CP. So, why would this be out of line? I watched it and it was biting but wasn't hateful. It questione…

> I watched it and it was biting but wasn't hateful. It questioned certain things.

This line of thought is rejected by modern radicals. To question is tantamount to outright hating. Watching Chapelle's special was, for me, a marvelous breath of fresh air and I hope people like him can somehow manage to continue making a living despite not observing radical dogma.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by toyg »

supernovae wrote: post #29
toyg wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last 50 years of politics across US and Europe have proven over and over again that you ignore "silent majorities" at your peril. They have an annoying habit of making mincemeat of arguments for radical change when you least expect it. I'm sure there are parallel realities where 60s/70s counterculture stops Reagan and Thatcher from winning (twice), but this isn't one of them. Lay out your case for change, by all…

If you look at the data, it certainly isn't the silent majority, it's the vocal minority. Look at the last US election, they tried to destroy democracy and claim fraudulent elections to uphold these absurd beliefs. It's so bad, that many states are making it harder for the people to vote just to perpetuate this nonsense.

You are equating "silent majority" and "hardcore right wing". That's not how it works in practice - this is something that both right and left can and do get wrong.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by holytoledo »

craig1f wrote: post #20
mc32 wrote: post #3

Many things are upsetting to many people. I don't think it's viable to always bow to demands of your most strident members. Chapelle is a dissenter, I think he has as much a right to express his opinion as other provocateurs. We've had shows from Netflix which border on child exploitation and skate somewhat close to CP. So, why would this be out of line? I watched it and it was biting but wasn't hateful. It questione…

Most things like this are organized by bad-faith actors that know that his skit wasn't hateful. The powers-that-be have learned how to create viral movements. They know how to get would-be-activists spun up until their brains turn off. These are the left-wing equivalent of Trump-supporters. People got up in arms about his last stand up. It was not offensive at all. But you couldn't say that, because the people had al…

Based and blackpilled.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by JohnWhigham »

yetihehe wrote: post #17
JohnWhigham wrote: post #9

Bill Burr said it best: everyone always laughs at the jokes about other groups, but when the jokes are about their group, they can never handle them.

I've never seen this effect with programming jokes or jokes about programmers. Typical reactions I've seen are always "yeah, so true". But this is only one anecdote, I may be in a bubble, so I ask others: have you seen programmers getting offended by jokes about programmers?

I think it depends how much a certain label/group is core to one's identity. For many people in the Twittersphere, they worship the idea of labbelling themselves and showing it off to others for some reason.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by dekhn »

JohnWhigham wrote: post #9

Bill Burr said it best: everyone always laughs at the jokes about other groups, but when the jokes are about their group, they can never handle them.

i don't have any problems with people making stereotype jokes or really any jokes about any of my ethnicity or classes.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by dijksterhuis »

JohnWhigham wrote: post #11
themodelplumber wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things generally upsetting people in general is one thing, but details matter. The reporting describes something more like a question of priorities and ongoing lack of appropriate attention to community dynamics. Worse, it sounds like a situation that could have been avoided. > Organizers did not specify their demands ahead of the rally, although Preston said the event would call for content that prioritizes "the saf…

I find it funny that there's been virtually no discussion about his trans comedian friend (forget their name) and how the bullying they received because she stuck up for Chappelle drove her to suicide. You'd think the trans community should stop and reflect on why this happened. But nope, apparently their death is justified because Chappelle bad!

Transcribed some of what Dave said in the special in another comment (didn't see this comment at the time as it took a while!).

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28930777

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by holytoledo »

silicon2401 wrote: post #31
mc32 wrote: post #3

Many things are upsetting to many people. I don't think it's viable to always bow to demands of your most strident members. Chapelle is a dissenter, I think he has as much a right to express his opinion as other provocateurs. We've had shows from Netflix which border on child exploitation and skate somewhat close to CP. So, why would this be out of line? I watched it and it was biting but wasn't hateful. It questione…

> I watched it and it was biting but wasn't hateful. It questioned certain things. This line of thought is rejected by modern radicals. To question is tantamount to outright hating. Watching Chapelle's special was, for me, a marvelous breath of fresh air and I hope people like him can somehow manage to continue making a living despite not observing radical dogma.

They’ll end up carving out a category of “black people who are white inside” and start putting him and others in this bucket, and slander the bucket as much as possible while running back to their own blackness or whatever.

The Jews use a similar tactic whenever they want to slander whites but still carry an air of “otherness” and claim they’re Jewish. It’s trite, but that’s the game these people play.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by falcolas »

mc32 wrote: post #3

Many things are upsetting to many people. I don't think it's viable to always bow to demands of your most strident members. Chapelle is a dissenter, I think he has as much a right to express his opinion as other provocateurs. We've had shows from Netflix which border on child exploitation and skate somewhat close to CP. So, why would this be out of line? I watched it and it was biting but wasn't hateful. It questione…

As is often stated, the freedom of speech is not the freedom of consequences.

The disparagement is a direct consequence of his speech. He is no more free from that consequence than your or I would be in similar circumstances.

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