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Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by themodelplumber »

JohnWhigham wrote: post #11
themodelplumber wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things generally upsetting people in general is one thing, but details matter. The reporting describes something more like a question of priorities and ongoing lack of appropriate attention to community dynamics. Worse, it sounds like a situation that could have been avoided. > Organizers did not specify their demands ahead of the rally, although Preston said the event would call for content that prioritizes "the saf…

I find it funny that there's been virtually no discussion about his trans comedian friend (forget their name) and how the bullying they received because she stuck up for Chappelle drove her to suicide. You'd think the trans community should stop and reflect on why this happened. But nope, apparently their death is justified because Chappelle bad!

This is making it about Chappelle again, but clearly the issue as related in the news reports is more about a past-due dialog between Netflix and those constituent parts it theoretically values. Chappelle is an example but it doesn't seem to be the whole story, intense in various details though it may be.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by toyg »

supernovae wrote: post #14
0xebc wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Chapelle has an outdated view of trans issues but doesn’t call for violence, which is Netflix’s line. Chapelle has a logically correct view of trans issues that's up to date. It's probably the view shared by a silent majority but it's politically suicide to even hint at, as he covered in his special. You can rob a pregnant woman at gun point and be considered a saint, but if you hurt a trans person's feelings, you'r…

Oh, the old silent majority nonsense. You do realize that doesn't exist right and that mindset parallels the beliefs of racists... which.. doesn't surprise me.

The last 50 years of politics across US and Europe have proven over and over again that you ignore "silent majorities" at your peril. They have an annoying habit of making mincemeat of arguments for radical change when you least expect it. I'm sure there are parallel realities where 60s/70s counterculture stops Reagan and Thatcher from winning (twice), but this isn't one of them.

Lay out your case for change, by all means; but you should always assume that you start from a position of minority until proven otherwise.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by crateless »

JohnWhigham wrote: post #11
themodelplumber wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things generally upsetting people in general is one thing, but details matter. The reporting describes something more like a question of priorities and ongoing lack of appropriate attention to community dynamics. Worse, it sounds like a situation that could have been avoided. > Organizers did not specify their demands ahead of the rally, although Preston said the event would call for content that prioritizes "the saf…

I find it funny that there's been virtually no discussion about his trans comedian friend (forget their name) and how the bullying they received because she stuck up for Chappelle drove her to suicide. You'd think the trans community should stop and reflect on why this happened. But nope, apparently their death is justified because Chappelle bad!

While I completely agree with the general sentiment of your comment, I believe that it has not been asserted that the bullying was the main factor for her death. At least as far as what Chappelle said during the show.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by ergot_vacation »

This is a good first step. The second would be for them to remain out after walking off their jobs and never return, so that Netflix could regain something resembling sanity. Maybe then they could stop manipulating ratings, censoring 30 year old movies and pumping out deranged propaganda instead of entertainment. Sadly, this will not happen.

Frankly, I agree with the leftists that Chappelle should retire, or at least stop performing in big left wing cities and states. The disaster America has become doesn't deserve solid comedians like him anymore.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by me_me_me »

blacktriangle wrote: post #6
0xebc wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Chapelle has an outdated view of trans issues but doesn’t call for violence, which is Netflix’s line. Chapelle has a logically correct view of trans issues that's up to date. It's probably the view shared by a silent majority but it's politically suicide to even hint at, as he covered in his special. You can rob a pregnant woman at gun point and be considered a saint, but if you hurt a trans person's feelings, you'r…

Trans are mentally ill and need to be treated as such, as in they need to seek professional help in accepting biological reality. Encouraging them in their delusions which they will never achieve is only hurting them, not helping.

You are mentally ill and need to treated as such, as in you need to seek professional help in accepting biological reality.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by a_wild_dandan »

yetihehe wrote: post #17
JohnWhigham wrote: post #9

Bill Burr said it best: everyone always laughs at the jokes about other groups, but when the jokes are about their group, they can never handle them.

I've never seen this effect with programming jokes or jokes about programmers. Typical reactions I've seen are always "yeah, so true". But this is only one anecdote, I may be in a bubble, so I ask others: have you seen programmers getting offended by jokes about programmers?

I've seen programmers get offended by jokes about tools they use. Some folks take such jokes personally, if the vitriol is any indication.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by cassac »

robbintt wrote: post #19
cassac wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should they take all jokes that hurt Christian feelings offline? Or how about anything that is critical of the CCP? Where does it end?

> add a content warning Why did you jump to taking things offline?

I don’t really think in the end they would accept a scenario where Chapelle would be free to make any content he wants as long as it has a content warning. That was an “at least you should…” not the actual demand. Though we won’t know until they actually present their demands.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by supernovae »

toyg wrote: post #22
supernovae wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, the old silent majority nonsense. You do realize that doesn't exist right and that mindset parallels the beliefs of racists... which.. doesn't surprise me.

The last 50 years of politics across US and Europe have proven over and over again that you ignore "silent majorities" at your peril. They have an annoying habit of making mincemeat of arguments for radical change when you least expect it. I'm sure there are parallel realities where 60s/70s counterculture stops Reagan and Thatcher from winning (twice), but this isn't one of them. Lay out your case for change, by all…

If you look at the data, it certainly isn't the silent majority, it's the vocal minority. Look at the last US election, they tried to destroy democracy and claim fraudulent elections to uphold these absurd beliefs.

It's so bad, that many states are making it harder for the people to vote just to perpetuate this nonsense.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by dijksterhuis »

Here's what Dave had to say in The Closer about his friend Daphne, who killed herself six days after being "dragged" on Twitter for defending her friend.

> When Sticks and Stones came out a lot of the people in the trans community were furious with me and apparently they dragged me on Twitter. I don't give a fuck 'cause Twitter's not a real place.

> And the hardest thing for a person to do is go against their tribe if they disagree with their tribe, but Daphne did that for me. She wrote a tweet that was very beautiful and what she said was and it's almost exactly what she said.

> She said "Punching down on someone requires you to think less of them and I know him, and he doesn't. He doesn't punch up, he doesn't punch down, he punches lines, and he is a master at his craft."

> Beautiful tweet, beautiful friend, it took a lot of heart to defend me like that, and when she did that the trans community dragged that bitch all over Twitter. For days, they were going in on her, and she was holding her own 'cause she's funny.

> But six days after that wonderful night I [previously] described to you, my friend Daphne killed herself.

> Oh yeah, this is a true story, my heart was broken. Yeah it wasn't the jokes. I don't know if it was them dragging or I don't know what was going on in her life but I bet dragging her didn't help.

> I was very angry at them, I was very angry at her. I felt like Daphne lied to me. She always said she identified as a woman. And then one day she goes up to the roof of her building and jumps off and kills herself. Clearly... only a man would do some gangster shit like that.

> Hear me out. As hard as it is to hear a joke like that, I'm telling you right now, Daphne would have loved that joke. That's why she was my friend.

> I was reading her obituary and I found out she was survived by a daughter.

[... a bit about Anderson Cooper which isn't relevant]

> What I did is I got in touch with her family and I started a trust fund for her daughter 'cause I know that's all she ever really cared about. And I don't know what the trans community did for her but I don't care 'cause I feel like she wasn't [in] their tribe, she was [in] mine. She was a comedian in her soul.

Here's Daphne's sisters defending Dave in the daily beast.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/dave-chappelle-backed-by-famil...

Edit:

> “Dave loved my sister and is an LGBTQ ally,” Dorman’s younger sister Brandy added in a text message. “His entire set was begging to end this very situation.”

> “At this point I feel like he poured his heart out in that special and no one noticed,” Brandy wrote in a separate Facebook post. “What he’s saying to the LGBTQ family is, ‘I see you. Do you see me? I’m mourning my friend in the best way I know how. Can you see me? Can you allow me that?’... This was a call to come together, that two oppressed factions of our nation put down their keyboards and make peace. How sad that this message was lost in translation.”

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