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Post by JohnWhigham »

themodelplumber wrote: post #7
mc32 wrote: post #3

Many things are upsetting to many people. I don't think it's viable to always bow to demands of your most strident members. Chapelle is a dissenter, I think he has as much a right to express his opinion as other provocateurs. We've had shows from Netflix which border on child exploitation and skate somewhat close to CP. So, why would this be out of line? I watched it and it was biting but wasn't hateful. It questione…

Things generally upsetting people in general is one thing, but details matter. The reporting describes something more like a question of priorities and ongoing lack of appropriate attention to community dynamics. Worse, it sounds like a situation that could have been avoided. > Organizers did not specify their demands ahead of the rally, although Preston said the event would call for content that prioritizes "the saf…

I find it funny that there's been virtually no discussion about his trans comedian friend (forget their name) and how the bullying they received because she stuck up for Chappelle drove her to suicide. You'd think the trans community should stop and reflect on why this happened. But nope, apparently their death is justified because Chappelle bad!

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by droopyEyelids »

CEO Ted Sarandos has apologized and claimed fault.

I'm interested to see if this works out for him, in the end.

I believe the general trend is that reversing your position on a big public issue (even if your original position was wrong!) is the end of your authority and career.

I am not making a statement about how this 'should' work!

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by toyg »

It's so sad that the great power of collective action is being wasted in these little squabbles that matter to the 0.0000001% of the population. If tech workers now really "understand their labor power" (as some claim [1]), then choosing to deploy it on these trivial matters shows how privileged that group really is.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/oct/20/netflix-employ...

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by supernovae »

0xebc wrote: post #5
18009420088 wrote: post #4

The bit about trans women is unfunny and hurtful and should remain on Netflix. Trans employees should walk out and protest, then decide whether they have the means / network to move on if they don’t want to work there anymore. I don’t think controversial or offensive-to-me content should be removed. But I also don’t think it should go by unremarked. That’s what democracy is, at the ground level. Keep in mind that Net…

>Chapelle has an outdated view of trans issues but doesn’t call for violence, which is Netflix’s line. Chapelle has a logically correct view of trans issues that's up to date. It's probably the view shared by a silent majority but it's politically suicide to even hint at, as he covered in his special. You can rob a pregnant woman at gun point and be considered a saint, but if you hurt a trans person's feelings, you'r…

Oh, the old silent majority nonsense. You do realize that doesn't exist right and that mindset parallels the beliefs of racists... which.. doesn't surprise me.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by toyg »

JohnWhigham wrote: post #11
themodelplumber wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things generally upsetting people in general is one thing, but details matter. The reporting describes something more like a question of priorities and ongoing lack of appropriate attention to community dynamics. Worse, it sounds like a situation that could have been avoided. > Organizers did not specify their demands ahead of the rally, although Preston said the event would call for content that prioritizes "the saf…

I find it funny that there's been virtually no discussion about his trans comedian friend (forget their name) and how the bullying they received because she stuck up for Chappelle drove her to suicide. You'd think the trans community should stop and reflect on why this happened. But nope, apparently their death is justified because Chappelle bad!

I have friends involved in the LGBT community since forever, and even them openly admit that the trans community is a cesspool. One thing that has become abundantly clear through history is that even marginalized groups, once empowered, have the potential (and often a vengeful inclination) to make others suffer.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by me_me_me »

JohnWhigham wrote: post #11
themodelplumber wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things generally upsetting people in general is one thing, but details matter. The reporting describes something more like a question of priorities and ongoing lack of appropriate attention to community dynamics. Worse, it sounds like a situation that could have been avoided. > Organizers did not specify their demands ahead of the rally, although Preston said the event would call for content that prioritizes "the saf…

I find it funny that there's been virtually no discussion about his trans comedian friend (forget their name) and how the bullying they received because she stuck up for Chappelle drove her to suicide. You'd think the trans community should stop and reflect on why this happened. But nope, apparently their death is justified because Chappelle bad!

> and how the bullying they received because she stuck up for Chappelle drove her to suicide

Thats exactly what Chappelle did not say. He said that the bulling might not caused the suicide, but it sure did not help.

I find it baffling that he developed a quite deep relationship with her - a transgender person - gave her a golden ticket (frontrunning for of the biggest comedians) as a token of appreciation and he gets called out as anti trans person.

He deep cuts all of those fake virtue signalling people who do nothing and sacrifice noting for 'the cause', he walked away from the money of questionable hollywood people he took a stand. Maybe thats what irks those people?

Mad world, mad world.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by yetihehe »

JohnWhigham wrote: post #9

Bill Burr said it best: everyone always laughs at the jokes about other groups, but when the jokes are about their group, they can never handle them.

I've never seen this effect with programming jokes or jokes about programmers. Typical reactions I've seen are always "yeah, so true". But this is only one anecdote, I may be in a bubble, so I ask others: have you seen programmers getting offended by jokes about programmers?

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by zahma »

mc32 wrote: post #3

Many things are upsetting to many people. I don't think it's viable to always bow to demands of your most strident members. Chapelle is a dissenter, I think he has as much a right to express his opinion as other provocateurs. We've had shows from Netflix which border on child exploitation and skate somewhat close to CP. So, why would this be out of line? I watched it and it was biting but wasn't hateful. It questione…

You make good points. It is also notable that he made fun of just about everyone in that special — from blacks, to whites, to Jews — just to a lesser extent. And I think he did that on purpose. Nobody and nothing is off limits. We all can find relief and humility in comedy.

It’s often the case that minorities wear parts of an identity so as to show some kind of immutable and unique right against prejudice. But the sooner we realize that our differences are opportunities to unite against intolerance and bigotry, the sooner we can stop drawing lines in the same about whose experience is more painful or inequitable than another’s.

I’ve heard rabbis deliver sermons on slavery drawing parallels between the plight of Jews to the African slave trade. The point isn’t that Jews get to say “oh I was enslaved too so whatever.” Rather, it’s an opportunity to say, “Hell yeah, I recognize oppression, and let’s right those wrongs together.”

Not one community and not LGBTQ+ gets to be the sole victim. Nobody gets to dominate the outrage scene on Twitter. Coalition building and tolerance require humility, and pretending like one’s group has a greater need for equality or accommodation defeats the point.

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Post by robbintt »

cassac wrote: post #10
themodelplumber wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things generally upsetting people in general is one thing, but details matter. The reporting describes something more like a question of priorities and ongoing lack of appropriate attention to community dynamics. Worse, it sounds like a situation that could have been avoided. > Organizers did not specify their demands ahead of the rally, although Preston said the event would call for content that prioritizes "the saf…

Should they take all jokes that hurt Christian feelings offline? Or how about anything that is critical of the CCP? Where does it end?

> add a content warning

Why did you jump to taking things offline?

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by craig1f »

mc32 wrote: post #3

Many things are upsetting to many people. I don't think it's viable to always bow to demands of your most strident members. Chapelle is a dissenter, I think he has as much a right to express his opinion as other provocateurs. We've had shows from Netflix which border on child exploitation and skate somewhat close to CP. So, why would this be out of line? I watched it and it was biting but wasn't hateful. It questione…

Most things like this are organized by bad-faith actors that know that his skit wasn't hateful. The powers-that-be have learned how to create viral movements. They know how to get would-be-activists spun up until their brains turn off. These are the left-wing equivalent of Trump-supporters.

People got up in arms about his last stand up. It was not offensive at all. But you couldn't say that, because the people had already made up their minds.

Corporations know how to get people spun up, and they're doing it with Chapelle again. They want to cancel him, because he is dangerous to the right wing, because he is charismatic and articulate. He can get points across clearly. If he became the new Jon Stewart, he could siphon a lot of control away from the right. They need to neutralize him before he decides to go political.

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