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Worn-out nurses hit the road for better pay, stressing hospital budgets, morale

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Re: Worn-out nurses hit the road for better pay, stressing hospital budgets, morale

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Isn't the solution simple? Pay nurses like 80%-100% of what traveling nurses make, instead of 50% or less.

You're assuming that hospitals wouldn't rather pay double to have nurses who see themselves as transient cogs in the machine and give few shits about anything beyond hitting the KPIs they need to keep getting paid.

Re: Worn-out nurses hit the road for better pay, stressing hospital budgets, morale

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Could this also be a result of forced vaccinations on healthcare workers (who were on the front lines for us early in the pandemic) who then move to states without mandates.

The example was a nurse who moved to California.

Pay, as the article states, seems to be a better explanation than a political boogeyman.

Re: Worn-out nurses hit the road for better pay, stressing hospital budgets, morale

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Isn't the solution simple? Pay nurses like 80%-100% of what traveling nurses make, instead of 50% or less.

You're assuming that hospitals wouldn't rather pay double to have nurses who see themselves as transient cogs in the machine and give few shits about anything beyond hitting the KPIs they need to keep getting paid.

Aren't all workers very quickly becoming transient cogs in the machine?

I don't know a single friend at this point on a fully staffed team in any field anywhere. Whether it be FAANG, startups, or the government, data analytics in retail or lawyers at law firms, there is massive churn everywhere.

Re: Worn-out nurses hit the road for better pay, stressing hospital budgets, morale

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Could this also be a result of forced vaccinations on healthcare workers (who were on the front lines for us early in the pandemic) who then move to states without mandates.

Do you have information that supports this theory or is it just a guess?

Re: Worn-out nurses hit the road for better pay, stressing hospital budgets, morale

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Could this also be a result of forced vaccinations on healthcare workers (who were on the front lines for us early in the pandemic) who then move to states without mandates.

The number of people who leave because of vaccine mandates are a few percentage points. It's been borne out again and again as mandates are put in effect that the vast majority end up complying and only a few percentage points end up leaving from them. This is a much bigger phenomenon related to how hospital administration cuts nursing to the bone and the lack of organized labor pushing for safer standards of work and better working conditions.

Re: Worn-out nurses hit the road for better pay, stressing hospital budgets, morale

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're assuming that hospitals wouldn't rather pay double to have nurses who see themselves as transient cogs in the machine and give few shits about anything beyond hitting the KPIs they need to keep getting paid.

Aren't all workers very quickly becoming transient cogs in the machine? I don't know a single friend at this point on a fully staffed team in any field anywhere. Whether it be FAANG, startups, or the government, data analytics in retail or lawyers at law firms, there is massive churn everywhere.

It's not a binary.

Fully staffed or not people who see themselves as long term employees with skin in the game or as providing a service to their community will be resistant to implementing policies that screw the customer and will help customers ask for the things they need to ask for to not get screwed. Employees who see themselves as transient more readily implement whatever management asks without thinking.

Re: Worn-out nurses hit the road for better pay, stressing hospital budgets, morale

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Isn't the solution simple? Pay nurses like 80%-100% of what traveling nurses make, instead of 50% or less.

I don't run a hospital, but know folks who have worked in one. My guess is that paying someone 2x (or many someones) for a short period of time is easier on the long term budget than raising the wages of permanent employees.

Feels similar to how every company seems to want senior developer talent, but few will pay for training new senior talent.

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