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Re: Victorian gas lamps that sold cups of hot coffee (2012)

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Post by swiley »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #49
hyperpallium2 wrote: post #9

Coffee lamps, electric trucks, the Titanic, gigantic starship-like airships - what a time to be alive...! The future was then.

Hand held terminals giving you access to humanity whole knowledge, the ability to instantly pinpoint your location on a map and get directions to anywhere, logistic chains so perfectioned you can buy from the other side of the world and get your product in the week, vaccines engineered by direct manipulation of RNA chains, planes which can stay in the air for days using electricity, machines approaching a human level…

Those logistic chains are struggling.

Re: Victorian gas lamps that sold cups of hot coffee (2012)

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Post by s5300 »

@dang , did something on the HN side of things break or is this a feature I'm unaware of?

Unless I'm losing my mind, which is definitely a possibility, I'm certain I was reading this thread (via front page) last night, as in 20 or so hours ago.

When I search to find this in the HN search bar, I do in fact find this singular thread, timestamped 1 day ago.

As I'm viewing it now, and I presume across all of HN, it is stamped 5 hours ago, back to the front page, and the vast majority of the comments seem to be stamped 2 hours ago.

Hope I'm being clear enough - something just seems strange. Is it possible somebody re-posted the article link today, it got a decent amount of upvotes, and then automatically merged with last nights thread and something on the timestamp side of things broke?

Ooh. There is definitely something going on. Checked top comment - timestamped 3 hours ago in the thread, but when I go to the posters account and look at the comment, it's from over 24 hours ago (says one day, reply to it is 23 hours)

Going to be really awkward if it's just on my side of things... but I'm curious to know at this point

Re: Victorian gas lamps that sold cups of hot coffee (2012)

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Post by porknubbins »

heurisko wrote: post #43
worrycue wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> vandalism is generally explained as a response to a social hierachy Japan is even more hierarchical than the US. Their vending machines are fine.

It could be that the relevant thing is the absolute position of the lowest rung of the hierarchy. In that case, the lowest rung of Japanese hierarchy could still be much higher than that in the US.

I’m not convinced social heirarchy/inequality causes vandalism as much as bored teenage deliquents do. I can’t picture a bunch of tired fast food workers who can’t wait to get off their shift and smash a coke machine or tag walls.

Having lived in Japan my theory is that there is a much tighter social fabric and there is always someone watching. Japan has plenty of delinquents but there is always a slightly higher more responsible delinquent to go “hey idiot vandalism isn’t cool” (or a nosy neighbor to call the local cops who will find the perps family. And the ostracism can be instant and brutal in a way that isn’t really even possible in middle class America because we do not rely on the social fabric or reputation anymore since we are a fairly low trust society.

Re: Victorian gas lamps that sold cups of hot coffee (2012)

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Post by smnrchrds »

nootropicat wrote: post #50
ruined wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as someone who has been the vandal vandalism is the most accessible way to literally change the world. it's direct, visceral cause and effect before your very eyes, and it remains visible in daily life and to everyone around. i didn't have anything to lose, and it was more fun than sitting on a curb. in that position it did make the world a better place for me. if you want people to quit breaking shit give them a rea…

>i didn't have anything to lose Clearly the problem is with incorrect penalties. Singapore canes vandals and it works.

It may work, but at what cost?

You trade living in a country that has vandalism for living in a country that has torture.

I am sure execution will work even better than caning if a nation wants to put "stopping vandalism" above all else.

Re: Victorian gas lamps that sold cups of hot coffee (2012)

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Post by fy20 »

bloqs wrote: post #18
smegger001 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have never understood that compulsion, why do people here constantly vandalize anything unsupervised. What is the motivation of these people they don't get anything out of it. Why break something when it wont benefit you to do so. Why do people rub feces all over public restrooms, break vending machines or graffiti hate filled messages on others property. why make to world a worse place for everyone including yours…

If you are looking for a serious answer, vandalism is generally explained as a response to a social hierachy. When you feel you are at the bottom of the pile in relation to others around you, it has a variety of psychological effects. One of the most notable is that it increases your impulsivity and irrationality, and also causes you to feel "judged" by other people simply being near you, even inanimate objects feel…

In my (post-Soviet) country the only vandalism is people putting stickers on drain pipes, and the occasional grafiti - but usually it's art, not just random drawing on stuff. Once I saw a plastic bin burned to the ground, but that could have been from someone who had put a cigarette in it accidentally.

My city feels very safe and there is little vandalism, but nobody is really well off. Everyone complains they have no money, rent is too expensive, salaries are too low, fuel is too expensive, etc. I guess it's because nearly everyone feels like that here, there isn't a 'poor' vs 'middle class'. On the other hand you do get 'new money' driving their G-wagens and Porsche Taycans, so it's not that there isn't a social heirarchy.

Re: Victorian gas lamps that sold cups of hot coffee (2012)

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Post by dredmorbius »

hyperpallium2 wrote: post #9

Coffee lamps, electric trucks, the Titanic, gigantic starship-like airships - what a time to be alive...! The future was then.

The reason the airships look like starships is because our (fictional) starships were modeled on those (real) airships.

Re: Victorian gas lamps that sold cups of hot coffee (2012)

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Post by dredmorbius »

s5300 wrote: post #62

@dang , did something on the HN side of things break or is this a feature I'm unaware of? Unless I'm losing my mind, which is definitely a possibility, I'm certain I was reading this thread (via front page) last night, as in 20 or so hours ago. When I search to find this in the HN search bar, I do in fact find this singular thread, timestamped 1 day ago. As I'm viewing it now, and I presume across all of HN, it is st…

This post was selected for the second-chance pool. I believe that has the side effect of altering timestamps.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

https://news.ycombinator.com/pool

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