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The FDA wants you to be able to buy a hearing aid without a prescription

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We are seeing a long term consolidation between hearing devices and headphones. On the headphones side, we are getting smaller, truly-wireless headphones with some ambient sound features (such as noise cancellation, and iOS hearing features). New trends like AR would just accelerate the change due to the need to solve all day worn audio devices. On the hearing aids side, almost every hearing aid today acts as an alwa…

And yet Bose discontinued their very helpful Hearphone product and has introduced a much more expensive and less capable conventional aid, which they are marketing to older people. Very disappointing!

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We are seeing a long term consolidation between hearing devices and headphones. On the headphones side, we are getting smaller, truly-wireless headphones with some ambient sound features (such as noise cancellation, and iOS hearing features). New trends like AR would just accelerate the change due to the need to solve all day worn audio devices. On the hearing aids side, almost every hearing aid today acts as an alwa…

> silencing a loud restaurant so you can have a quiet conversation or improving the audio of a soft speaker could be useful for everyone.

Yes i use noice cancellation and voice isolation on my iphone here in india where noise is out of control. I can even take calls now outside in traffic and it sounds like i am in a quite room to the other person. This one of the greatest technological improvements in the recent past for me personally.

Re: The FDA wants you to be able to buy a hearing aid without a prescription

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One pretty big (and relatively unknown) law is that your doctor needs to give you your vision prescription so you can buy glasses elsewhere (usually for much cheaper). I think a lot of them get around this by letting you look for glasses while waiting and not telling you that this law exists.

The bigger issue is that a prescription alone is not enough to order new glasses, you also need pupillary distance measurements in order to ensure the lenses are ground correctly. Many many optometrists will not provide these, only the legally obligated prescription. While for most people who have minimum prescriptions you can use a phone app or similar to get a rough PD, for anyone with serious prescriptions even mi…

Just ask for the PD on the prescription, they generally don’t mind but also won’t offer. It makes things awkward if they refuse. I ask in the exam room.

Re: The FDA wants you to be able to buy a hearing aid without a prescription

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Fantastic news. If you can afford the $5,000 - great! The current system works for you. 80% of people cannot and so are stuck. For folks with mild/moderate loss (where a LOT of people don't get help) something as simple as letting Apple tweak noise cancellation to be voice enhancing and providing a tuning and hearing test app in the iphone would be a godsend. The elderly miss out on a lot of family life because of he…

My dad has mild hearing loss and recent 'conversation boost' in airpods works like magic for him.

Most ppl don't know that this even exists in their airpods because the settings are hidden deep inside hearing accessiblity .

Re: The FDA wants you to be able to buy a hearing aid without a prescription

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Any real attempt at hearing aid reform cannot skip in-person hearing tests. You need somebody to look inside the ear to verify that the hearing loss is not due to earwax buildup or infection, and to run a tympanogram test to check for mid-to-inner-ear issues. Maybe the rest of a hearing test could be done with current headphone technology in a quiet environment, I don't know. But until somebody makes a take-home, ML-powered widget with both a camera and a tympanogram-capable widget, people will need to show up in person to get a dependable hearing test result.

The biggest thing the FDA could do would be to standardize a digital format for hearing tests and require new hearing aids to be programmed on the basis of the standard format. This would allow people to go in-person to get their hearing checked by a technician, get a test result, and then program that test result into any hearing aid of their choice bought on the open market.

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I want something a bit more selective. Like, capable of completely blocking out the sound of my wife snoring. I’m sure that I’m not the only one in this boat, but I may be one of the rare males complaining about their wife snoring.

That sounds like a really interesting problem. You'd need microphones good enough, small enough, and cheap enough to hear the signal, Signals processing/machine learning software robust enough to pick up a user-selected pattern and in a reasonable latency, and then a processor small enough and power efficient enough to process it all while again also being economical enough, and then have it last 8 hours.

"Completely blocking out" is out of reach, technologically; you'd need 80+ dB of attenuation, and the best anyone can do with things that fit around your head (earplugs, noise-canceling, etc.) is about 40, before you even start to touch the questions of selectivity and power usage. If you need 80 dB of attenuation your best bet is to contract an acoustics engineer to build a wall out of several layers of different materials.

Re: The FDA wants you to be able to buy a hearing aid without a prescription

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There are a number of healthcare areas in the US that have been protected by regulation, but it’s increasingly unclear if this is good for patients, consumers, or public health at large. The increasing sentiment seems to be probably not. Vision care is another area I’d expect to see more changes and disruption coming down the pipeline. Vision care is very important and advanced cases require special skills, but it’s…

> That industry used to make its money turning around and selling you glasses from the same office but that whole industry has been turned upside down by online retailers like Warby Parker and such

This is not really the case. Online, warby Parker, etc. have built scale but the traditional retail still makes a significant portion of their profits here. And it’s a healthy business by most standards. The staff and employed OD are typically compensated heavily through variable compensation. The primary industry metric is “capture rate”, the percentage of people that buy eye wear after the exam. If I recall correctly it’s about 65-70%. From an incentive perspective, the doctors and staff are salespeople through and through.

Like all segments of healthcare, it has really started to consolidate. The independents/regional brands operating now will likely sell to PE roll up play when the foundering doctor retires. PE will exit to conglomerates. Most of these are boomer’s and this form of consolidation is well under way. The already high margins can easily be improved by centralizing back office, etc.

The vertical integration in the industry is insane. Luxottica for example leads retail, frame manufacturing, lens fabrication (laboratory), and owns the #2 insurance provider (of 2 main players). They have such power they can and do “force” independent retailers to use their POS software.

Warby Parker has some hipness and definitely grew quickly. But, they hardly put a dent in the market. There may be some evidence that they expanded it, as happens with fashion. They would be more akin to Blue Nile in the jewelry space. Independent jewelers still dominate that market.

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I was just thinking about this with the announcement of the new AirPods. Apple could really take the concert earplug market while getting great natural marketing (people wearing AirPods at concerts). Just balance and lower the volume for concerts.

My AirPod Pros with transparency mode enabled and set to max volume and treble don’t provide as much gain as my MDHearingAid pair ($400), and the external sound quality isn’t as good. Apple has a real opportunity here, and they are slow in seizing it. I suspect some kind of an arrangement with the hearing aid manufacturers regarding iPhone-ready hearing aids. The name of the game here is to allow people to dial in th…

Have you tried the new accessibility options in the latest firmware? You can now feed in an audiogram as well as enable conversation boost via that

Re: The FDA wants you to be able to buy a hearing aid without a prescription

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Audiology industry is filled with profit seeking corporations and they a have a HUGE political hand. They lobby. I would not be surprised to see the Audiology industry fight back this. They make huge profits and Audiologists are licensed workers.. Like doctors they're required to go though hoops and loops to get a license. The cochlear implant industry is the same it's all about profit and pushing the CI into babies and taking advantage of the early technology by using them on deaf people where in the future it will be more like cyborg tech way more advanced and they're just testing and pushing this huge industry. It's full of people that think a hearing aid or CI is a solution to the problem where it's really not. I would put neuro link tech into the same pool as CI tech. They're testing it on disabled people and touting the benefits while hiding the negatives.
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