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The FDA wants you to be able to buy a hearing aid without a prescription

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Re: The FDA wants you to be able to buy a hearing aid without a prescription

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> For decades, the FDA has regulated hearing aids as a prescription medical device — an arrangement that adds to the cost and effort people must expend to get them. What is the rationale for this?

Same rational for an eye exam and Rx. it is more complicated than just "do you see or not?" And medical issues can, and are, discovered with a comprehensive hearing evaluation.

As well improper use can cause permanent damage.

Re: The FDA wants you to be able to buy a hearing aid without a prescription

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There are a number of healthcare areas in the US that have been protected by regulation, but it’s increasingly unclear if this is good for patients, consumers, or public health at large. The increasing sentiment seems to be probably not. Vision care is another area I’d expect to see more changes and disruption coming down the pipeline. Vision care is very important and advanced cases require special skills, but it’s…

> but it’s also unclear why many routine checks couldn’t just be done by a family doctor

Ordinary GPs aren't experts and the equipment for doing vision checks is expensive and consumes space.

IMO, medical care should be completely re-organized. Get rid of GPs as a profession (outside of cruise ships and the military) and GP practices entirely. Instead, have community clinics for everyday medical needs spread out over the country that have a team of skilled nurses for triage with a number of subject-expert doctors at the second level, and large/university clinics for everything the community clinics can't deal with (urgent/trauma care, oncology).

That would also shorten training times and effort for new doctors by a significant degree - e.g. in Germany, an ophtalmologist requires a full medical degree (over six years, not counting waiting times because medical study places are short in supply) followed by five years of specialized training. Realistically, training any expert doctor now takes at least twelve to fifteen years... and that's frankly absurd, and part of why medical costs are so sky-rocketing. Not many students make the ridiculously high entry requirements, many don't survive that time (and sometimes literally - suicide rates among medical students are way above average!), and those who have their MD are left with fifteen years worth of student debt which means they have to charge extraordinary hourly rates simply to be able to pay back the loans.

Re: The FDA wants you to be able to buy a hearing aid without a prescription

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Improperly tuned, they will damage your hearing - a permanent effect.

How? Because you simply amplify the sound too much?

yes.

Hearing aids can exceed 120dB.

As well improper mid-long term use can cause comprehension and "hearing in difficult situations" issues.

Re: The FDA wants you to be able to buy a hearing aid without a prescription

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Because they are making theater to justify their cost.

Did the machine tell you if anything else was wrong with your eyes? Could it?

It could determine my index accurately. It couldn’t tell if I had symptomless eye cancer, however.

Re: The FDA wants you to be able to buy a hearing aid without a prescription

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Contact lenses next? It's amazingly stupid that I, as a tourist, who knows exactly what types of contacts I need, may need to get a US prescription for contacts.

I ordered an optometry kit from Amazon as my prescription changes by the hour most days. Was very interesting to play around and helped me isolate the 2 prescriptions that my eyes drift back and forth from. Something that eye doctors had given up on trying to help me.

I need a different prescription depending on how wide my pupils are. I have separate glasses for night driving. Discovered this after a consultation with a real ophthalmologist, not an optometrist. They can dilate your pupils with eyedrops to take what’s called a wet refraction.

Re: The FDA wants you to be able to buy a hearing aid without a prescription

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Not sure why vision checks require a doctor at all. In the end, they're just relying on your responses anyway: "What's better: A or B"? In fact, I'd go further and say it doesn't even require another person. I, for one, am glad to see this bill.

>require a doctor Just a note, but optometrists are "doctors" (because optometry is a doctoral degree), but not doctors in the colloquial sense, ie people with MDs who work in hospitals. Ophthalmologists are the MDs that specialize in eye disease, and are the ones that treat infection and do surgery.

Optometrists treat infection and disease, and can work in hospitals as well. My fiancée is an optometrist who did her residency in a hospital and has worked in hospital systems.

Re: The FDA wants you to be able to buy a hearing aid without a prescription

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12 years ago, I walked into a second hand eye glasses shop in India and they had one of these machines. It was amazingly effective. I felt duped by all the optometrist appointments asking me about A or B.

To me, the tradeoff of an expensive modern machine vs an cheaper iterative process seems logical. I think it's funny that a second hand shop has the fancy equipment... but they must know it sells glasses more effectively. Here, the machine results are used as a starting point, validated by A/B but I don't know if the human part is effective or just theater.

Well, assuming the optometrist charges around $50 per hour, after 10 patients it would pay for itself. I assume the machine is simply cheaper, which is why it was used.

Re: The FDA wants you to be able to buy a hearing aid without a prescription

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> For decades, the FDA has regulated hearing aids as a prescription medical device — an arrangement that adds to the cost and effort people must expend to get them. What is the rationale for this?

It's a treatment for a specific medical condition. Those devices and claims about them are universally regulated.

I also don't believe deregulating the market is going to work. The reason prices are so high is because there is a small monopoly of manufacturers that control global supply and a small cadre of middle-men that are allowed to create whatever markup they like.

Deregulating the middle men doesn't really solve the fundamental problem. I would expect a lot of patent lawsuits to be filed against small manufacturers and distributors if the government gets it's way here.

It's an attempt to solve an endemic lack of regulation with even less regulation.

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There are so many cost barriers to treatments. It's definitely not for patients at this point. For instance, I am supposed to redo my sleep apnea test every so often. But it's out of pocket? Why bother, I know mine is due to my genetics (I'm not overweight). So why am I subjected to reproving my need for a prescription? For eyeglasses, if someone wants to continue the same prescription they can't. It's like healthcar…

> For eyeglasses, if someone wants to continue the same prescription they can't. What? You don't need a medical prescription to order glasses online. You can put in whatever numbers you want and they'll happily make them. You'd be an idiot to do so, however, as your vision can change with age.

I had to submit my (very mild) prescription for glasses to Warby Parker.
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