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I once killed a $125M deal by being “too honest”

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Re: I once killed a $125M deal by being “too honest”

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How do you have integrity when you throw your own engineers under the bus?

Integrity is about telling the truth (as you see it), not about doing stuff for the benefit of "your own". In fact the latter can lead to exactly the opposite of integrity.

Not exactly. Having integrity means being whole, united, and indivisible. That certainly can involve telling the truth, but it's much broader than that. Someone who leads a double life, even if they don't make any commitments about their private behavior and even if they don't lie about it, lacks integrity.

Integrity means the opposite of being two-faced.

In this case, OP's behavior lacked integrity, even though it was likely honest. Although he was at the Yang meeting as a representative of LinkExchange, he advocated in favor of Viaweb. The forcefulness with which he argued ("your guys are wrong") definitely crossed the line into advocacy, not just an off-hand honest opinion. This set up a conflict within himself (his feelings toward Viaweb vs. his own interests and duties to his partners) as well as a conflict within the LinkExchange team.

https://insighttimer.com/consciousleadershipgroup/guided-med...

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"the standards of integrity involves regarding internal consistency as a virtue, and suggests that parties holding within themselves apparently conflicting values should account for the discrepancy or alter their beliefs."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrity

Re: I once killed a $125M deal by being “too honest”

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Is this the same guy who recently posted about trying to bluff Steve Jobs, getting called out on it and losing a deal? I wonder how many more stories like these he has lol Edit: found the link for those interested https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28826437

It’s kind of the same mistake? Talking when he should have stopped talking.

Re: I once killed a $125M deal by being “too honest”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Integrity is about telling the truth (as you see it), not about doing stuff for the benefit of "your own". In fact the latter can lead to exactly the opposite of integrity.

Not exactly. Having integrity means being whole, united, and indivisible. That certainly can involve telling the truth, but it's much broader than that. Someone who leads a double life, even if they don't make any commitments about their private behavior and even if they don't lie about it, lacks integrity. Integrity means the opposite of being two-faced. In this case, OP's behavior lacked integrity, even though it w…

>Not exactly. Having integrity means being whole, united, and indivisible.

Not just any kind of whole. Somebody "whole, united, and indivisible" devoted to his own interests for example, doesn't have integrity (even if he's open about it and e.g. is equally and wholy bad to everybody).

Let's stick to the dictionary: "1. the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles."

The "whole, united, etc" thing is "integrity" in objects (e.g. as in "structural integrity". Not integrity as the moral quality in people.

>Consciously or unconsciously, he was trying to serve three masters: his current company, Yahoo!, and PG's company. That kind of conflict of interest is inconsistent with integrity.

It's the opposite. That kind of conflict of interest is what you want to test someone's integrity.

Someone more strategic or someone which places tactic over integrity would have stayed silent (and neither lose nor verify their integrity). Someone without integrity would have lied against PG's company to promote their own.

Re: I once killed a $125M deal by being “too honest”

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I don’t even see his mistake as being “too honest”, it’s more like he was just being petty. If someone thinks a company sucks but you think it’s great, is it really worth arguing to change their opinion, especially with such an inflammatory statement?

Yeah, the guy doubted himself and his own team even after they landed that deal, and as a result lost the deal? If I was on his team I would be pissed.

Re: I once killed a $125M deal by being “too honest”

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Great story (& from the same guy with the Steve Jobs story ~last week).

Immediately calls to mind two phrases of advice I've found very useful over the years related to sales and deal making.

"Quit drilling - you struck oil", as in don't try to keep selling once your counterparty agrees - you can only cause harm at that point (and even if there are more great things to discover, no harm if they get happier after the deal closes.)

And, one of the the most frequently applicable ones in life (& once seen l, it's amazing to see how much unhappiness comes from not heeding it):

"The deal's not done until the check clears."

Re: I once killed a $125M deal by being “too honest”

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you have integrity when you throw your own engineers under the bus?

Integrity is about telling the truth (as you see it), not about doing stuff for the benefit of "your own". In fact the latter can lead to exactly the opposite of integrity.

That's honesty, not integrity.

Re: I once killed a $125M deal by being “too honest”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Integrity is about telling the truth (as you see it), not about doing stuff for the benefit of "your own". In fact the latter can lead to exactly the opposite of integrity.

That's honesty, not integrity.

You'd be surprised.

Dictionary to the rescue: "Integrity: 1. the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles."

Re: I once killed a $125M deal by being “too honest”

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you have integrity when you throw your own engineers under the bus?

Integrity is about telling the truth (as you see it), not about doing stuff for the benefit of "your own". In fact the latter can lead to exactly the opposite of integrity.

I wonder how many times there were pep-talks with the LinkExchange engineering team about how everyone was great.

Idk, maybe the twitter OP told their engineering team they were worse than Viaweb every day via automated, department-wide emails.

Re: I once killed a $125M deal by being “too honest”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's honesty, not integrity.

You'd be surprised. Dictionary to the rescue: "Integrity: 1. the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles."

Yeah, exactly, honestly is just a part of it. He failed hard on the other part by saying his own team was worse then some other team. Integrity is standing up for the people you lead, it falls under the moral principles part.
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