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Apple’s new M1 Pro and M1 Max processors

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Re: Apple’s new M1 Pro and M1 Max processors

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Post by jhugo »

willseth wrote: post #669
sulam wrote: post #616

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Yes, it depends on what you're doing, but if you can watch 21 hours of video, many people will be able to do more than 24 hours of development.

Video playback is accelerated by essentially custom ASIC processing built into the CPU, so it's one of the most efficient things you can do now. Most development workloads are far more compute intensive.

I get about 14-16 hours out of my M1 MacBook Air doing basically full-time development (browser, mail client, Slack, text editor & terminal open, and compiling code periodically).

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Post by perryizgr8 »

pier25 wrote: post #411
neogodless wrote: post #342

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This exact question was asked a year ago when the M1 was announced. In the year since, their laptop market share increased about 2% from 14 to 16%[0]. The reasons for this are: 1. When deciding on a computer, you often have to decide based on use case, software/games used, and what operating system will work best for those use cases. For Windows users, it doesn't matter if you can get similar performance from a Macbo…

All good points but: 1) In the pro market (audio, video, 3d, etc) performance is very relevant. 2) Battery time is important to all types of laptop users. 3) Apple is certainly working on more desktop alternatives. 4) You don't need move all your devices into the closed ecosystem just because you use a Mac. Also, some people just don't want to use macOS on principle, but I'm guessing this is a minority. > AMD's produ…

> My desktop Windows PC has a 3700X which was very impressive at the time, but it is roughly similar in perf to the "low end" M1 aimed at casual users.

Still, your desktop can play AAA games at 120Hz with an appropriate GPU attached. No M1 device can do that. So once more, performance doesn't mean anything if you can't do what you want with it.

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Post by hyperman1 »

lizknope wrote: post #273
saiya-jin wrote: post #239

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Exactly, corporate never risks them getting into wrong hands, no matter how theoretical risk that might be. Same for phones

We used to remove the hard drives which takes about 20 seconds on a desktop that has a "tool-less" case. Then donate the computer to anybody including the employees if they want it. It takes a few minutes to do that on a laptop but it's not that long.

One of our interns got that jobs. Left are 200 old laptops, take out the SSD and smash it with a hammer. Right are 200 new laptops, don't touch.

Turns out someone got confused between left and right, gave him the wrong instructions, and he smashed 200 brand new SSDs. Ouch.

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Post by arvinsim »

klelatti wrote: post #409
julienb_sea wrote: post #345

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I doubt they are going to make different chips for prosumer devices. They are going to spread out the M1 pro/max upgrade to the rest of the lineup at some point during the next year, so they can claim "full transition" through their quoted 2 years. The wildcard is the actual mac pro. I suspect we aren't going to hear about mac pro until next Sept/Oct events, and super unclear what direction they are going to go. Mayb…

On reflection I think they've decided that their pro users want 'more GPU not more CPU' - they could easily have added a couple more CPU cores but it obviously wasn't a priority. Agreed that it's hard to see how designing a CPU just for the Mac Pro would make any kind of economic sense but equally struggling to see what else they can do!

There is only so much you can do improving the CPU.

On the other hand, we still haven't really reached the limit for GPUs.

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Post by uuddlrlr »

tmellon2 wrote: post #789

Does anyone have a handle on how the new M1X is expected to perform on Deep Learning training runs vs a NVIDIA 1080Ti / 2080Ti. I think the 400 Gbps bandwidth and 64 GB unified memory will help - but can anyone extrapolate based on the M1 ?

Nit: the M1 Max has 400GB/s (3.2Tbps) bandwidth.

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Post by caddybox »

8ytecoder wrote: post #298
castis wrote: post #246

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Could you elaborate on what you mean by this?

Not OP. Personally, I've had Dell, HP and Sony laptops. But the macs have been the longest lasting of them all. My personal pro is from 2015. It has also come to a point where none of the extensions makes sense for me . 512GB is plenty. RAM might be an issue - but I honestly don't have enough data on that. The last time I had more than 16GB RAM was in 2008 on my hand built desktop. As long as the battery can be repla…

I'd much rather have the ability to fix a device myself than be locked into a vendor controlled repair solution. I've been able to extend the life of many devices I've had (the earliest from 2010) through repairs like dust removal, RAM upgrades and thermal paste reapplication.

Also worth noting that some people might be taking laptops to repair shops precisely because they are not user serviceable. Companies like framework are trying to change this with well-labelled internals and easily available parts.

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Post by dispat0r »

nojito wrote: post #566
jeswin wrote: post #238

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But it's also been around for at least a year. And upcoming pcie 5 SSDs will up that to 10-14GBps. I'm saying Apple might have wanted to emphasise their more standout achievements. Such as on the CPU front, where they're likely to be well ahead for a year - competition won't catch up until AMD starts shipping 5nm Zen4 CPUs in Q3/Q4 2022.

Apple has a well over 5 year advantage when compared to their competition.

Apple has a node advantage.
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