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Re: GIMP Single-Window Mode Almost Ready, Hardware Acceleration Planned

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Post by seabee »

5l wrote: post #26
pwg wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> almost certainly the most common use case [click-to-focus] Most common only if you are coming from a ms-windows background. Click-to-focus is only a relatively recent newcomer to the Unix/X-Windows system in the scheme of how long X-Windows has existed. And if you ever break out of your ms-windows mindset and actually give focus follows mouse a try, focus follows mouse is actually the more powerful method.

Just as an FYI, Windows actually supports focus follows mouse with a registry hack [0]. There are a couple of quirks mostly to do with things like tooltips, but I've found it usable. [0] http://sinewalker.wordpress.com/2010/03/10/ms-windows-focus-...

I remember getting a Windows 95 PowerToy for it; I didn't see the point of it, previously being an Amiga user which had click-to-focus also.

Re: GIMP Single-Window Mode Almost Ready, Hardware Acceleration Planned

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Post by CrLf »

Single-window mode has been one of the most requested features for GIMP. Fact: when it finally comes, no one will care (they never did).

Actually, the multi-window interface is much better when you have virtual-desktops (everywhere but Windows) or multiple screens.

Pixelmator on the Mac is a multi-window application (like most Mac apps are) and I don't see anyone complaining about it.

The problems are:

1. GIMP isn't Photoshop;

2. When a window is clicked, all windows should come to the foreground (more precisely, all palettes).

For 1. there's not much that can be done. Whatever the application, if it has to do with graphics, people will complain about this (everyone will complain that it is missing a certain Photoshop feature, up to the total of Photoshop features). At the same time, they will complain about Photoshop itself, and trying to be more like Photoshop isn't going to work, uncanny valley style.

As for 2... It's a window manager problem actually. On the Mac, again, Pixelmator does this just fine and it works great.

Re: GIMP Single-Window Mode Almost Ready, Hardware Acceleration Planned

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Post by [deleted] »

CrLf wrote: post #43

Single-window mode has been one of the most requested features for GIMP. Fact: when it finally comes, no one will care (they never did). Actually, the multi-window interface is much better when you have virtual-desktops (everywhere but Windows) or multiple screens. Pixelmator on the Mac is a multi-window application (like most Mac apps are) and I don't see anyone complaining about it. The problems are: 1. GIMP isn't…

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Re: GIMP Single-Window Mode Almost Ready, Hardware Acceleration Planned

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Post by windsurfer »

nodata wrote: post #37
windsurfer wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you've tried the latest build, litereally every issue he's described has been fixed.

It would be interesting to know if it's because he brought these issues to the attention of the developers.

I doubt it. These changes have been on the roadmap for a long time.

Re: GIMP Single-Window Mode Almost Ready, Hardware Acceleration Planned

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Post by stuaxo »

callahad wrote: post #18
exDM69 wrote: post #13

Am I the only one who actually likes GIMP's multi-window interface? It works great with multiple displays. I've seen people do amazing things with GIMP, using a combination of keyboard shortcuts and clever use of the toolbox - in the hands of a skilled craftsman, it's an excellent and fast tool to use. Of course I've been using GIMP since it was still in it's infancy and I've never used Photoshop, so I didn't have a…

I've found that the multi-window mode feels best when you're using a Linux window manager that allows you to move a window by holding a modifier key and clicking anywhere on the window. But if you can's easily grab and move the floating palettes around, using the GIMP becomes more of an exercise in window positioning than in image manipulation.

On windows - AltDrag makes life easier in a lot of situations, couldn't live without it now!

Re: GIMP Single-Window Mode Almost Ready, Hardware Acceleration Planned

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Post by theBobMcCormick »

gst wrote: post #11
blub wrote: post #8

I have been using GIMP for 9 months and the UI is exasperating. It's not just multi-window mode, things like the way the windows are rendered and designed, focus issues, shortcuts, missing features and a lot of other annoyances. The most disappointing thing is that I'm not even doing intensive graphical work, just retouching some photos, moving things around, resizing, etc.

The UI works quite well with a focus-follows-mouse policy - as it has been standard in Unix for decades. With today's click-to-focus window managers the UI is just horrible (but that's not Gimp's fault).

It seems rather inaccurate to claim that focus-follows-mouse is "standard in Unix".

Correct me if I'm wrong, but focus-follows-mouse hasn't been the standard in Unix for quite some time. I don't think it's ever been the default in Gnome or KDE. Is it the default on anything that isn't antiquated and/or super-niche (like FVWM or TWM, etc.)?

Re: GIMP Single-Window Mode Almost Ready, Hardware Acceleration Planned

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Post by pwg »

eropple wrote: post #38
pwg wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> almost certainly the most common use case [click-to-focus] Most common only if you are coming from a ms-windows background. Click-to-focus is only a relatively recent newcomer to the Unix/X-Windows system in the scheme of how long X-Windows has existed. And if you ever break out of your ms-windows mindset and actually give focus follows mouse a try, focus follows mouse is actually the more powerful method.

And if you ever break out of your ms-windows mindset and actually give focus follows mouse a try, focus follows mouse is actually the more powerful method. Not this again. Focus-follows-mouse is different , not more powerful . It provides a different way of working that not everyone agrees with and not everyone wants to use. Seriously, get over yourself.

Yes, it is different.

But it is that very difference that makes it much more powerful of a UI convention.

If you had ever experienced it, you'd understand.

Re: GIMP Single-Window Mode Almost Ready, Hardware Acceleration Planned

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Post by whiterabbit »

CrLf wrote: post #43

Single-window mode has been one of the most requested features for GIMP. Fact: when it finally comes, no one will care (they never did). Actually, the multi-window interface is much better when you have virtual-desktops (everywhere but Windows) or multiple screens. Pixelmator on the Mac is a multi-window application (like most Mac apps are) and I don't see anyone complaining about it. The problems are: 1. GIMP isn't…

That's funny; I use GIMP daily and I've always thought I was very much looking forward to the single-window interface on my multiple-screen non-virtual desktop environment. I guess I was wrong.

Re: GIMP Single-Window Mode Almost Ready, Hardware Acceleration Planned

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Post by tom9729 »

nimrody wrote: post #29
struppi wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some aspects of Gimp are a little bit annoying (especially on a Mac), but you can do pretty cool things with it once you get used to it. I do some artwork for some web sites I created and Gimp is a good tool for this. Photoshop probably would be better, but for as little as I do me it is way too expensive.

On OS X, you can try Seashore ( http://seashore.sourceforge.net/The_Seashore_Project/About.h... ). Based on GIMP code but simplified and emphasizing usability.

I like Seashore because it's a real Cocoa app, but I frequently find myself having to fallback to X11 Gimp for little things. YMMV.
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