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Apple’s new M1 Pro and M1 Max processors

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Post by viktorcode »

zaptrem wrote: post #358
kergonath wrote: post #225

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FWIW, they are in general quite accurate with their ballpark performance figures. I expect the actual power/performance curves to be similar to that they showed. Which is interesting, because IIRC on the plots from Nuvia before they were bought their cores had a similar profile. It would be exciting if Qualcomm could have something good for a change.

If we can get an actual Windows on ARM ecosystem started things will get really exciting really quickly.

There still will be a question of porting the bulk of Windows software to Arm.

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Post by lostlogin »

NovaS1X wrote: post #685
jack_riminton wrote: post #154

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I don't think this is an apples to apples comparison because of how the new unified memory works

Well technically it is an Apple to Apple comparison in his case.

It all falls apart when the apple contains something non-apple.

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Post by viktorcode »

jeswin wrote: post #114
_the_inflator wrote: post #58

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I think that Apple took a subtle, not so subtle stand: power consumption has to do with environmental impact.

Apple almost single-handedly made computing devices non-repairable or upgradable; across their own product line and the industry in general due to their outsized influence.

Apparently, you didn't compare Apple devices with what the bulk of the market consists of.

Also, implying that repairability is required for environmental sustainability is questionable at best. People in their vast majority tend to get rid of 5 years old phones and laptops.

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Post by cozzyd »

nojito wrote: post #566
jeswin wrote: post #238

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But it's also been around for at least a year. And upcoming pcie 5 SSDs will up that to 10-14GBps. I'm saying Apple might have wanted to emphasise their more standout achievements. Such as on the CPU front, where they're likely to be well ahead for a year - competition won't catch up until AMD starts shipping 5nm Zen4 CPUs in Q3/Q4 2022.

Apple has a well over 5 year advantage when compared to their competition.

That is very difficult to believe, short of sabotage.

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Post by google234123 »

soheil wrote: post #475
lisper wrote: post #105

"Apple’s Commitment to the Environment" > Today, Apple is carbon neutral for global corporate operations, and by 2030, plans to have net-zero climate impact across the entire business, which includes manufacturing supply chains and all product life cycles. This also means that every chip Apple creates, from design to manufacturing, will be 100 percent carbon neutral. But what they won't do is put the chip in an expan…

They would make less money if they made the chip repairable. This doesn't have to make them evil. Apple being more profitable also means they can lower the cost and push the technological advancement envelop forward faster. Every year we will get that much faster chips. This is good for everyone. This doesn't mean Apple's carbon footprint has to suffer. If Apple does a better job recycling old Macbooks than your aver…

Chips aren't made out of vacuum tubes any more, you can't "fix" a transistor

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Post by 41209 »

bpicolo wrote: post #691
41209 wrote: post #524

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Darn. Hard pass then. I already have a pretty fast Windows laptop. The only real issue is it sounds like an helicopter underload. ( It also thermal throttles hard ).

Depends on the games you play. Some publishers are good about this, some aren't. Worth checking.

I'm actually using Xbox gamepass for a lot of stuff.

I doubt this will work well, unless M1's can emulate windows at native speed.

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Post by google234123 »

jrockway wrote: post #338
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #243

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You're talking about selling working devices but parent was also talking about repairing them. Seems like a huge waste to throw away a $2000+ machine when it's out of warranty because some $5 part on it dies and Apple not only doesn't provide a spare but actively fights anyone trying to repare them, while the options they realistically will give you out of warranty being having your motherboard replaced for some insa…

> Or what if you're a klutz and spill your grape juice glass over your keyboard? Congrats, now you're -$2000 lighter since there's no way to take it apart and clean the sticky mess inside. Thanks to the Right To Repair, you can take the laptop to pretty much any repair shop and they can replace anything you damaged with OEM or third-party parts. They even have schematics, so they can just desolder and resolder failed…

Removable ram wouldn't change anything in your story presuming the entire board is fried. Anyway, $30 + labor is a deceitful way to put it. The labor in your story would be 100s an hour and would probably fail to actually fix the issue most of the time.

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Post by mod »

hunterb123 wrote: post #634
mod wrote: post #511

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Yeah, and vendors like Bungie are forced to cap their framerates at 30fps (Destiny 2).

They capped PC as well.

If they did, it definitely wasn't at 30. I was getting 90+ on my budget rig.

But no, I don't think they did.

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Post by astrange »

thrwyoilarticle wrote: post #251
smoldesu wrote: post #66

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Apple had SteamVR support for a while, and even Valve Proton support for a while (meaning that Windows-only games were quite playable on Mac hardware). Unfortunately, Apple pulled 32-bit library support without offering a suitable alternative, so Valve was forced to scrap their plans for Mac gaming entirely.

I maintain that this was to avoid the lack of support for 32-bit games being blamed on the Apple Silicon.

There was only a 15-year transition period away from a seriously technically inferior architecture (for both performance and security.)
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