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Re: Apple’s new M1 Pro and M1 Max processors

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Post by ant6n »

slayerjain wrote: post #157
slayerjain wrote: post #68

Based on the numbers it looks like the M1 Max is in the RTX 3070-3080 performance territory. Sounds like mobile AAA gaming has potential to reach new heights :D

And in the case for the M1 Pro, apple is showing it to be faster than the Lenovo 82JW0012US - which has a RTX 3050ti. so the performance could be between RTX 3050ti - RTX 3060. All of this with insanely low power draw.

But still not fanless, right? Maybe they'll update the Macbook Air with some better graphics as well, so that one could do some decent gaming without a fan.

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Post by fomine3 »

8ytecoder wrote: post #298
castis wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you elaborate on what you mean by this?

Not OP. Personally, I've had Dell, HP and Sony laptops. But the macs have been the longest lasting of them all. My personal pro is from 2015. It has also come to a point where none of the extensions makes sense for me . 512GB is plenty. RAM might be an issue - but I honestly don't have enough data on that. The last time I had more than 16GB RAM was in 2008 on my hand built desktop. As long as the battery can be repla…

Apple don't offer cheaper laptops. No one doubt it lasts longer in average.

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Post by klelatti »

neogodless wrote: post #342
pier25 wrote: post #284

Anyone can comment on what Intel and AMD are going to do now? Will they be able to catch up or will Qualcomm become the alternative for ARM laptop chips? (and maybe desktop chips too)

This exact question was asked a year ago when the M1 was announced. In the year since, their laptop market share increased about 2% from 14 to 16%[0]. The reasons for this are: 1. When deciding on a computer, you often have to decide based on use case, software/games used, and what operating system will work best for those use cases. For Windows users, it doesn't matter if you can get similar performance from a Macbo…

These are unit market share numbers, so will include large numbers of PCs - both consumer and corporate - at price points where Apple isn't interested in competing because the margins are probably too low.

I suspect by value their share is far higher and their % of profits is even bigger.

The strategy is very clear and it's the same as the iPhone. Dominate the high end and capture all the profits. Of course gaming is an exception to this.

The bad news for Intel is that they make their margins on high end CPUs too.

For Intel and AMD there are two different questions: will Intel fix their process technology, and will AMD get access to TSMC's leading nodes in the volumes needed to make a difference to their market share?

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Post by ksec »

pier25 wrote: post #284

Anyone can comment on what Intel and AMD are going to do now? Will they be able to catch up or will Qualcomm become the alternative for ARM laptop chips? (and maybe desktop chips too)

>Anyone can comment on what Intel and AMD are going to do now?

In the short term, nothing. But it isn't like Apple will magically make all PC user switch to Mac.

Right now Intel will need to catch up with Foundry first. AMD needs to work their way into partnering with many people with GPU IP which is their unique advantage. Both are currently well under way and are sensible path forward. Both CEOs knows what they are doing. I rarely praise any CEOs, but Pat and Dr Lisa are good.

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Post by paavohtl »

pb7 wrote: post #324
hh3k0 wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One might argue that Surface laptops were Microsoft's answer to MacBooks.

If repairability was important to consumers, it would be a selling point for competitors. But it's not.

If Apple actually cared about sustainability, they would make their devices repairable.

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Post by mlindner »

cbarrick wrote: post #339
skohan wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a tradeoff in terms of power consumption?

In the power/performance curves provided by Apple, they imply that the Pro/Max provides the same level of performance at a slightly lower power consumption than the original M1. But at the same time, Apple isn't providing any hard data or explaining their methodology. I dunno how much we should be reading into the graphs. /shrug

I think you misread the graph. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/product/mac/standard/A...

The graph there shows that the new chip is higher power usage at all performance levels.

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Post by throwawaysea »

I know Apple has a translating feature called Rosetta. But what about virtual machines? Is it possible to run Windows 10 (not the ARM edition but the regular, full Windows 10) as a virtual machine on top of an Apple M1 chip? It looks like UTM (https://mac.getutm.app/) enables this, although at a performance hit, but I don’t know how well it works in practice. What about Parallels - their website suggests you can run Windows 10 Arm edition but doesn’t make it clear whether you can run x86 versions of operating systems on top of an M1 Mac (see old blog post at https://www.parallels.com/blogs/parallels-desktop-m1/). I would expect that they can run any architecture on top of an ARM processor but with some performance penalty.

I’m trying to figure out if these new MacBook Pros would be an appropriate gift for a CS student entering the workforce. I am worried that common developer tools might not work well or that differences in processors relative to other coworkers may cause issues.

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Post by patall »

sudhirj wrote: post #191
lisper wrote: post #105

"Apple’s Commitment to the Environment" > Today, Apple is carbon neutral for global corporate operations, and by 2030, plans to have net-zero climate impact across the entire business, which includes manufacturing supply chains and all product life cycles. This also means that every chip Apple creates, from design to manufacturing, will be 100 percent carbon neutral. But what they won't do is put the chip in an expan…

All of my Apple laptops (maybe even all their products) see about 5 to 8 years of service. Sometimes with me, sometimes as hand-me-downs. So they’ve been pretty excellent at not winding up in the trash. Even software updates often stretch as far back as 5 year old models, so they’re pretty good with this.

And here I am sitting at my 2011 Dell Latitude wondering what is so special about that. My sis had my 2013 Sony Duo but that's now become unusable with its broken, built-in battery. Yes, 5 to 8 years of service is nice, but not great or out of norm for a $1000+ laptop.

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Post by remir »

lisper wrote: post #105

"Apple’s Commitment to the Environment" > Today, Apple is carbon neutral for global corporate operations, and by 2030, plans to have net-zero climate impact across the entire business, which includes manufacturing supply chains and all product life cycles. This also means that every chip Apple creates, from design to manufacturing, will be 100 percent carbon neutral. But what they won't do is put the chip in an expan…

Isn’t most of the components in MacBooks recyclable? If I remember correctly, Apple has a recycling program for old Macs so it’s not like these machines goes to landfill when their past their time or broken.
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