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I am in the market for a new laptop and bit skeptic for M1 Chips. Could anyone please tell me how is this not a "premium high performance Chromebook" ? Why should I buy this and not Dell XPS machine if I will be using it for web development/Android Development/C#/DevOps. Might soon mess with machine learning

Better battery life while performing faster than any Intel/AMD chip at equivalent power usage. Portability is the reason for the existence of laptops.

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"Apple’s Commitment to the Environment" > Today, Apple is carbon neutral for global corporate operations, and by 2030, plans to have net-zero climate impact across the entire business, which includes manufacturing supply chains and all product life cycles. This also means that every chip Apple creates, from design to manufacturing, will be 100 percent carbon neutral. But what they won't do is put the chip in an expan…

As others have said, the option to easily configure the computer post-purchase would make a massive difference in terms of its footprint

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I am in the market for a new laptop and bit skeptic for M1 Chips. Could anyone please tell me how is this not a "premium high performance Chromebook" ? Why should I buy this and not Dell XPS machine if I will be using it for web development/Android Development/C#/DevOps. Might soon mess with machine learning

I am a very satisfied Apple customer, but will gladly tell you that a Windows machine would make more sense for the use cases you’ve described.

C# is the only odd item there. Entire companies are doing everything else in that list using exclusively MacBook Pros.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

the comparison was only on laptops, but still impressive if they did that with 70% (?) less power

Well, no - they immediately followed the discrete laptop graphic comparison with a desktop graphic comparison, highlighting how much more power they draw for "the same" performance.

That wasn't for desktop graphics, it was for a top-end laptop graphics SKU (I think RTX 3080 Mobile on a ~135W-150W TDP configuration?). Otherwise the graph would extend all the way to 360W for a RTX 3090.

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post #278

I am in the market for a new laptop and bit skeptic for M1 Chips. Could anyone please tell me how is this not a "premium high performance Chromebook" ? Why should I buy this and not Dell XPS machine if I will be using it for web development/Android Development/C#/DevOps. Might soon mess with machine learning

I am a very satisfied Apple customer, but will gladly tell you that a Windows machine would make more sense for the use cases you’ve described.

Other than the ML work maybe. The Apple chips claim to be very performant with ML workloads.

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It’s interesting that the M1 Max is similar in GPU performance to RTX 3080. A sub $1000 Mac Mini would end up being the best gaming PC you could buy, at less than half the price of an equivalent windows machine.

Similar to an RTX 3080 Mobile, which is IIRC equivalent to somewhere around a RTX 3060 Desktop.

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I'm so ridiculously happy with my first generation M1 I have zero desire to upgrade. Kind of wild to consider given how long it has taken to get here with the graveyard of Apple laptops in my closet.

I was thinking the exact same thing! The fanless M1 Air is a dev monster in a mouse package. Couldn’t be happier with that combo.

If the M1 supported 3 displays I would’ve bought an air last year.

Feels like I’ll have to pay a lot for that 3rd monitor!

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obsession with emissions has really made people start to miss the forest from the trees.

Could you elaborate on what you mean by this?

Not OP. Personally, I've had Dell, HP and Sony laptops. But the macs have been the longest lasting of them all. My personal pro is from 2015.

It has also come to a point where none of the extensions makes sense for me. 512GB is plenty. RAM might be an issue - but I honestly don't have enough data on that. The last time I had more than 16GB RAM was in 2008 on my hand built desktop.

As long as the battery can be replaced/fixed - even if it's not user serviceable, I'm okay with that. I'd guess I'm not in the minority here. Most people buy a computer and then take it to the store even if there's a minor issue. And Apple actually shines here. I have gotten my other laptop serviced - but only in unauthorized locations with questionable spare parts. With Apple, every non-tech savvy person I know has been able to take to an Apple store at some point and thereby extend the life.

That's why I believe having easily accessible service locations does more to device longevity than being user-serviceable.

(In comparison, HTC wanted 4 weeks to fix my phone plus 1wk either way in shipping time and me paying shipping costs in addition to the cost of repair. Of course, I abandoned the phone entirely than paying to fix it.)

We could actually test this hypothesis - if we could ask an electronics recycler on the average age of the devices they get by brand, we should get a clear idea on what brands actually last longer.

Re: Apple’s new M1 Pro and M1 Max processors

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Did they really just claim 30-series tier performance on the max GPU? If that's true that would be insane!

GPU workloads are very parallel. By throwing more transistors at the problem while lowering clock rates you can get pretty good performance even in a constrained power budget.

Re: Apple’s new M1 Pro and M1 Max processors

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How do they get 200/400GB per second RAM bandwidth? Isn't that like 4/8 channel DDR5. 4/8 times as fast as current Intel/AMD CPUs/APUs? (E.g. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/201837/... with 45.8GB/s)

Laptop/desktop have 2 channels. High-end desktop can have 4 channels. Servers have 8 channels.

How does Apple do that? I was always assuming that having that many channels is prohibitive in terms of either power consumption and/or chip size. But I guess I was wrong.

It can't be GDDR because chips with the required density don't exist, right?

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