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Apple’s new M1 Pro and M1 Max processors

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Post by deltaci »

mrtksn wrote: post #241
jeswin wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple almost single-handedly made computing devices non-repairable or upgradable; across their own product line and the industry in general due to their outsized influence.

Just today I got one 6s and one iPhone 7 screen repaired(6s got the glass replaced, the 7 got full assembly replaced) and battery of the 6s replaced at a shop that is not authorized by Apple. It cost me 110$ in total. Previously I got 2017 Macbook Air SSD upgraded using an SSD and an adapter that I ordered from Amazon. What’s that narrative that Apple devices are not upgradable or repairable? It simply not true. If a…

newer MacBooks have both the SSD and RAM soldered on board, it's no longer user upgradable, unless you have a BGA rework station and knows how to operate it.

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Post by jdminhbg »

rudedogg wrote: post #163
sam0x17 wrote: post #111

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Not only that, but you're stuck with cards from 5 years ago with current macbooks. It's a shame too because the plug and play support is better than the very best e-gpu plug and play on linux or windows. I don't see Apple personally adding support any time soon, either. Clearly their play now is to make all hardware in house. The last thing they want is people connecting 3090s so they can have an M1 Max gaming rig. T…

You could use the new AMD cards at least though right? I don't think Nvidia support will ever happen again though (I got burned by that, bought a 1060 right before they dropped Nvidia). I'm on a RX 5700XT with my Hackintosh, and it works well. Edit: Thinking about this more.. I bet third party GPUs are a dead end for users and Apple is planning to phase them out.

I think I'd wait to see what the Mac Pro supports before coming to that conclusion. Could be something they're still working on for that product, and then when it's working on the Apple Silicon build of macOS will be made available on laptops as well.

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Post by smileybarry »

slayerjain wrote: post #68

Based on the numbers it looks like the M1 Max is in the RTX 3070-3080 performance territory. Sounds like mobile AAA gaming has potential to reach new heights :D

If Proton is made to work on Mac with Metal, there's some real future here for proper gaming on Mac. Either that or Parallels successfully running x64 games via Windows on ARM virtualization.

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Post by dmitriid »

nharada wrote: post #76
smoldesu wrote: post #52

Great update, I think Apple did the right thing by ignoring developers this time. 70% of their customers are either creatives who rely on proprietary apps, or people who just want a bigger iPhone. Those people will be really happy with this upgrade, but I have to wonder what the other 30% is thinking. It'll be interesting to see how Apple continues to slowly shut out portions of their prosumer market in the interest…

I agree this is very targeted towards the creative market (i.e. SD card port, etc), but I'm curious as a developer what you would have liked to see included that isn't in this release. I guess personally having better ML training support would be nice, since I suspect these M1 Max chips could be absolute monsters for some model training/fine-tuning workloads. But I can't think of anything design-wise really.

As a developer and a power user, I'd love for them to stop iOS'ifying Mac OS.

There's such a huge disconnect between what they do with hardware and what they do to MacOS.

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Post by supertrope »

castis wrote: post #246
rubyist5eva wrote: post #189

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Obsession with emissions has really made people start to miss the forest from the trees.

Could you elaborate on what you mean by this?

I'm guessing they mean greenwashing statements about lower CO2 emissions glosses over more "traditional" pollution as heavy metals, organic solvents, SO2, NOx. Taming overconsumption is greener than finding ways to marginally reduce per unit emissions on ever more industrial production.

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Post by billyhoffman »

aqme28 wrote: post #260

I hate the naming. By name alone and without looking at specs, can you tell me which is the faster chip-- the M1 Max or the M1 Pro?

In isolation, maybe. But it follows the naming convention of their iPhones models:

base model < pro model < pro max model

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Post by lowbloodsugar »

mohanmcgeek wrote: post #124

Disingenuous for Apple to compare these against 2017 Intel chips and call them 2x and 3.7x faster. I would love to see how they fare against 2021 Intel and amd chips.

The slide where they say its faster than an 8-core PC laptop CPU is comparing it against the 11th gen i7 11800H [1]. So it's not as fast as the fastest laptop chip, and it's certainly not as fast as the monster laptops that people put desktop CPUs in. But it uses 40% of the power of a not-awful 11th gen 8-core i7 laptop. The M1 is nowhere near as fast as a full-blown 16 core desktop CPU.

I am sure we will see reviews against high end intel and amd laptops very soon, and I wont be surprised if real world performance blows people away, as the M1 Air did.

[1] https://live.arstechnica.com/apple-october-18-unleashed-even...

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Post by skohan »

neogodless wrote: post #107
bla3 wrote: post #82

This is about the processors, not the laptops, so commenting on the chips instead. They look great, but they look like they're the M1 design, just more of it. Which is plenty for a laptop! But it'll be interesting to see what they'll do for their desktops. Most of the additional chip area went into more GPUs and special-purpose video codec hardware. It's "just" two more cores than the vanilla M1, and some of the effi…

> "just" two more cores than the vanilla M1 Total cores, but going from 4 "high performance" and 4 "efficiency" to 8 "high performance" and 2 "efficiency. So should be more dramatic increase in performance than "20% more cores" would provide.

Is there a tradeoff in terms of power consumption?
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