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Is there any VR for the Mac? Seems like the machine is more-than-ready for VR!

Apple had SteamVR support for a while, and even Valve Proton support for a while (meaning that Windows-only games were quite playable on Mac hardware). Unfortunately, Apple pulled 32-bit library support without offering a suitable alternative, so Valve was forced to scrap their plans for Mac gaming entirely.

I maintain that this was to avoid the lack of support for 32-bit games being blamed on the Apple Silicon.

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I'm not going to wait for the comparisons this time. Maxing this baby out right now.

Honest question, what do you do where a $6,099 laptop is justifiable?

I mean, the Audi R8 has an MSRP > $140k and I've never been able to figure out how that is justifiable. So I guess dropping $6k on a laptop could be "justified" by not spending an extra $100k on a traveling machine?

To be clear, I'm not getting one of these, but there's clearly people that will drop extra thousands into a "performance machine" just because they like performance machines and they can do it. It doesn't really need to be justified.

Truthfully, I'm struggling to imagine the scenario where a "performance laptop" is justifiable to produce, in the sense you mean it. Surely, in most cases, a clunky desktop is sufficient and reasonably shipped when traveling, and can provide the required performance in 99% of actual high-performance-needed scenarios.

If I had money to burn, though, I'd definitely be buying a luxury performance laptop before I'd be buying an update to my jalopy. I use my car as little as I possibly can. I use my computer almost all the time.

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It’s interesting that the M1 Max is similar in GPU performance to RTX 3080. A sub $1000 Mac Mini would end up being the best gaming PC you could buy, at less than half the price of an equivalent windows machine.

But without games to play on it. Instead, you could just get an Xbox Series X for half that price.

PS5! Not true apple owner buys a Microsoft product!

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I feel happy for the Apple community with these processors. But I can't stop to think my Intel machine. It feels like I am left in the dust and nothing seems to be coming that remotely looks like the M1.

Intel is years behind Apple, with no real strategy for catching up. Apple most likely already has the M2 ready, and the M3 under heavy development.

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"Apple’s Commitment to the Environment" > Today, Apple is carbon neutral for global corporate operations, and by 2030, plans to have net-zero climate impact across the entire business, which includes manufacturing supply chains and all product life cycles. This also means that every chip Apple creates, from design to manufacturing, will be 100 percent carbon neutral. But what they won't do is put the chip in an expan…

All of my Apple laptops (maybe even all their products) see about 5 to 8 years of service. Sometimes with me, sometimes as hand-me-downs. So they’ve been pretty excellent at not winding up in the trash. Even software updates often stretch as far back as 5 year old models, so they’re pretty good with this.

Big Sur is officially supported by 2013 Mac models (8 years).

iOS 15 is supported by the 6s, which was 2015. So 6 years.

And I still know people using devices from these eras. Apple may not be repair friendly, but at the end of the day, their devices are the least likely to end up in the trash.

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Disingenuous for Apple to compare these against 2017 Intel chips and call them 2x and 3.7x faster. I would love to see how they fare against 2021 Intel and amd chips.

They did that to compare against the last comparable Intel chips in a Mac, which seems rather useful for people looking to upgrade from that line of Mac.

Reminds me of AMD comparing their insane IPC increase when Ryzen first came out.

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This only makes sense if you presume people throw away their laptops when they replace them after "a few years". Given the incredibly high second hand value of macbooks, I think most people sell them or hand them down.

My F500 company has a 5 year tech refresh policy, and old laptops are trashed, not donated or resold.

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Apple very much against games, they've even broken OpenGL just because. Don't expect any type of gaming ecosystem around Apple anytime soon.

> Apple very much against games They are not against games, they just don't care about supporting anything else that's not coming through their frameworks and the app store. This can easily verified by the way-too-long segments of game developer demos at the annual WWDC.

Thats not how industry works, thats not how any of this works. iPhone ecosystem is big enough to move itself forward, but desktop market plays by different rules.If you don't follow what majority of the market do, it's much cheaper to just ignore that tiny customer segment which requires totally alien set of technologies
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