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Re: Apple October Event [video]

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Post by kayodelycaon »

incrudible wrote: post #20

I can't believe they're doubling down on the notch. The absolute best thing I can say about the iPhone notch is: I don't hate it enough to switch to Android. It's by far the thing that bothers me the most about the design. It's ugly and lacking harmony with the UI.

What's the other option? Under the screen has image quality issues. A thicker bezel means less screen space. Sticking up over the display is a worse compromise. Putting it on the bottom of the display really isn't ideal.

For most people, the only thing it covers is the menu bar.

Re: Apple October Event [video]

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Post by quirino »

incrudible wrote: post #20

I can't believe they're doubling down on the notch. The absolute best thing I can say about the iPhone notch is: I don't hate it enough to switch to Android. It's by far the thing that bothers me the most about the design. It's ugly and lacking harmony with the UI.

It's very likely they'll include an option to have a black bar at the top of the screen, so that the notch is not visible. With the new Mini-LED screen it will be hopefully be dark enough to hide it well.

Re: Apple October Event [video]

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Post by xoa »

incrudible wrote: post #20

I can't believe they're doubling down on the notch. The absolute best thing I can say about the iPhone notch is: I don't hate it enough to switch to Android. It's by far the thing that bothers me the most about the design. It's ugly and lacking harmony with the UI.

However one feels about extra usable screen space in iDevices, doesn't seem like as big a deal on the Mac. macOS has and has always had the core menu bar taking up the entire top of the screen. And even with a significant number of user menubar add-ons, the middle is often blank space since the menus from the left and add-ons from the right don't meet. Eyeballing the resolutions (about 1.54:1) it looks like this is pure gain, they took previous dead space and turned it into screen then stuck the general fixed UI element in there, with the camera taking up what is commonly blank space. Seems pretty function-driving-form as it should be.

Also, particularly given the new improved local dimming, for any content that wants a plain rectangle (video, games) seems like just blacking the menu bar area will work well. Macs aren't rotating devices either, so the notch is always going to be in the same semi-dead-space spot and easy to work around. That's quite different than iOS devices (even the iPad). And even with Apple's regrettable increasing of barriers to modifiability, on macOS there remains plenty of freedom to do UX adjustments and for developers to do whatever they want outside of Apple's rules. IIRC for example Apple forbid just "hiding" the notch with black on iDevices at least initially, but no such issues here. So overall really doesn't seem like it's a problem in this case, even for those who are fairly bothered on phones/tablets. A Mac screen isn't bad for it.

And of course, part of the highlighted point of these new machines is being able to drive a bunch of external displays too.

Re: Apple October Event [video]

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Post by vestrigi »

lemonade5117 wrote: post #24

Am I the only one bothered by the thickness? I mean, the new macs are going to be amazing machines but....it's just so un-Apple, you know? Still, gonna pick one up as soon as I can :)

I thought it looked thicker too but it turns out the new models are even 0.01cm thinner (if you want to call it that).

Re: Apple October Event [video]

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Post by dkonofalski »

weatherlight wrote: post #18
simonebrunozzi wrote: post #15

Finally, the touch bar of the Macbook is gone.

I'm going to miss it :( i know that's super unpopular and understand why people don't like it.

Same. I absolutely loved it for video and audio editing but I can understand why most people didn't like it. The new Intel commercials where they try to pass off a few laptops as Macbooks and then "surprise" the people when they're not Macs just reinforced for me how stupid a touchscreen on a laptop is.

Re: Apple October Event [video]

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Post by dkonofalski »

rvz wrote: post #22
simonebrunozzi wrote: post #15

Finally, the touch bar of the Macbook is gone.

...and the dreaded notch is back. Time to wait again.

Curious as to why? You get more screen real estate with the notch and, at worst, you have the same display size as before? What's the issue?

Re: Apple October Event [video]

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Post by incrudible »

kayodelycaon wrote: post #41
incrudible wrote: post #20

I can't believe they're doubling down on the notch. The absolute best thing I can say about the iPhone notch is: I don't hate it enough to switch to Android. It's by far the thing that bothers me the most about the design. It's ugly and lacking harmony with the UI.

What's the other option? Under the screen has image quality issues. A thicker bezel means less screen space. Sticking up over the display is a worse compromise. Putting it on the bottom of the display really isn't ideal. For most people, the only thing it covers is the menu bar.

> Under the screen has image quality issues.

I don't care. You need to process the hell out of a selfie image so you don't look like a goblin anyway. I'm sure the ML wizards at Apple can figure this out.

> A thicker bezel means less screen space.

The notch is a huge bezel with cutouts.

> Sticking up over the display is a worse compromise. Putting it on the bottom of the display really isn't ideal.

I agree.

> For most people, the only thing it covers is the menu bar.

It's not about what it covers, it's about harmony. A small hole is also superior, though most Android phones do not get the positioning right either. No, I don't care about Face ID, especially in the era of COVID. A finger print reader on the side or on the back is superior.

Re: Apple October Event [video]

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Post by twalla »

asimpletune wrote: post #25
protomyth wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has a notch. That is one heck of a compromise.

Is it? I think the notch is just where the menu already is, so it's sort of a moot point. I'd love if my current Mac camera were integrated into the space that I already use for the menu bar.

I pretty much live in a fullscreen tmux session and a fullscreen browser window so the notch is pretty lame in my opinion, maybe iterm can put some fun stats or a clock there but to me it's basically like 2 lines of lost screen real estate - not enough to dissuade me from getting it since they put the touch bar where it belongs (the trash), added real ports and fixed the keyboard.

Re: Apple October Event [video]

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Post by asimpletune »

So, as far as I can tell, they listened to every single complaint people had about the last generation of pro Macs. These are in every meaning of the word pro machines. Now, they're so pro, I can't imagine why anyone would need one, unless they do multi-media professionally, or work exclusively in Xcode.

I can't even believe they compromised on size and weight in order to deliver something more pro. It's a complaint I've been hearing for years, how people would gladly accept a bigger laptop if it were a "true" pro machine. Well, wishes granted.

Edit: (quick comparison in thickness and weight) Previous MB Pros were (respectively):

* 15.49mm/1.49kg

* 16.51mm/1.95kg

New M1 Pro Macs are:

* 15.49mm/1.65kg

* 16.67mm/2.1kg (or 2.2kg for the "max")

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