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Re: What to Learn

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I believe the thing we often need to learn is the thing we're afraid of learning. We often (always?) have weaknesses that can/do jeopardize our strength and closing those weaknesses is crucial. The famous Scott Galloway (whom I had as a b-school professor) made this point like this: if you are a great guy, great father, great boss, etc, but once in a while you get violently drunk and hurt people in your life - THAT t…

> solving this thing would make him so much better at all parts of his life.

How do you do that?

Re: What to Learn

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I think the answer depends on "why do you want to learn?". The implicit answer to that question for this blog post seems to be "to advance your career". That's a fine answer, but not the only answer.

It sounded to me like the answer for the author was "because it's fun!" and then turning around and figuring out how to arrange his career in a way that lets him continue learning, which ends up benefitting his career anyways, almost as a side effect.

Re: What to Learn

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I believe the thing we often need to learn is the thing we're afraid of learning. We often (always?) have weaknesses that can/do jeopardize our strength and closing those weaknesses is crucial. The famous Scott Galloway (whom I had as a b-school professor) made this point like this: if you are a great guy, great father, great boss, etc, but once in a while you get violently drunk and hurt people in your life - THAT t…

The author of the post does address your Scott Galloway example by stating that that is an obvious weakness that needs correcting. I think if we're starting with an individual with no obvious weaknesses, perhaps they are just average at many things for example, the ROI is better for things one has a natural aptitude in. Correcting an obvious weakness would generate a better ROI as per your examples.

There was an older consultant "StrengthFinder" thing. The idea was to systematically identify strengths and weaknesses and, as I recall, one of the ideas was that, assuming no gross deficiencies relative to career, you may want to focus on the things that you may not already be A+ in but you have some level of skill in.

For example, a very good coder who is OK but not great at presenting or writing may want to spend some effort on those areas.

Re: What to Learn

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post #27

I believe the thing we often need to learn is the thing we're afraid of learning. We often (always?) have weaknesses that can/do jeopardize our strength and closing those weaknesses is crucial. The famous Scott Galloway (whom I had as a b-school professor) made this point like this: if you are a great guy, great father, great boss, etc, but once in a while you get violently drunk and hurt people in your life - THAT t…

Pointing at the issues of someone and saying if only they fixed it is very similar to pointing at poor or disabled people and saying the same thing. Its is known as denial of personal responsibility. You see someone who needs help, either go figure out how to help and help or shut the fuck up and keep walking.

So basically your approach to life is to "not teach a man to fish" ?

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>For example, this analysis of world-class judo players found that most rely on a small handful of throws, concluding1 >Judo is a game of specialization. You have to use the skills that work best for you. You have to stick to what works and practice your skills until they become automatic responses. >If you watch an anime or a TV series "about" fighting, people often improve by increasing the number of techniques the…

What about, and I say this as a long-term martial arts practitioner, the man who has practiced 3 kicks 3300 times each (with one rep to spare)? And I am not saying it provocatively, the one-10000, 10000-one is a straw-man of course, but how many techniques to add to your competition arsenal is not an easy question to answer. As far as I remember, Ono, one of the most successful judokas of the modern era, has maybe uc…

I was a martial arts practitioner for a couple decades, and our answer was "add one at a time". You'd learn the entire system at a basic level, and then practice it all enough to figure out which one technique you wanted to be the strength in your personal flavor of the style. So you'd level that one technique up from just being able to do it, to knowing when and how to apply it to many different situations. Once it became an intuitive response, you started on another technique but tried to find a technique that would cover the gaps where the first technique was not practical.

So a newly minted black belt might have one or two techniques. 10 years later, they might have 5. 20 years later, maybe even a dozen. But it isn't a question of the right number of techniques - it is a matter of constant improvement. The goal is to keep practicing moreso than having a specific end point.

Re: What to Learn

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Because people are social "who knows you" is also important and impacts your learning. Finding the right people who are open to you asking 4 levels of questions is critical. This often requires you offer them something back. How you build those relationships is something to learn.

Yes, this is key, so important to NOT have to exclusively deal with sharp-elbow-environments at formative points in your career.

Also good to have mentors which not only graciously answer your questions but which also challenge you and ask questions of you. The Socratic method. Old as dirt, but better than Stackoverflow for actual knowledge development.

Re: What to Learn

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but how much of that is your manager is the face for the faceless bureaucracy behind him? When your manager asks you to work overtime with unrealistic deadlines etc, getting angry at your manager is shooting the messenger, not the actual dumbass making decisions.

> getting angry at your manager is shooting the messenger Well, a manager being (only) messenger (in this situation) is one of the traits of bad manager, isn't it?

Indeed. Part of being a good manager is shielding your team from demands that are unreasonable.

Re: What to Learn

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post #31

I believe the thing we often need to learn is the thing we're afraid of learning. We often (always?) have weaknesses that can/do jeopardize our strength and closing those weaknesses is crucial. The famous Scott Galloway (whom I had as a b-school professor) made this point like this: if you are a great guy, great father, great boss, etc, but once in a while you get violently drunk and hurt people in your life - THAT t…

> solving this thing would make him so much better at all parts of his life. How do you do that?

> How do you do that?

Great question. I assume you're asking from the point of view of the person having the challenge rather than someone observing/helping them.

There's no easy or painless answer. The reason these deep flaws exist in us is precisely because we have been avoiding dealing with them for some deeply personal and painful reason. But I do think there's a general pattern that I can share from my own experience.

The first step is to recognize that the problem exists and be "fed up" with it. To recognize that you're selling yourself short in some way, that you're failing yourself or your relationships. "I don't want to have my work and family life suffer anymore because I am afraid to talk to people." Or even "I don't want to be out of shape and struggle to walk a mile" kind of thing. You can't solve problems like this unless you're seeing them clearly and desperate to get out.

They often say that you have to hit "rock bottom" as a requirement for curing yourself. I think this is what they mean.

Once you hate the problem, it's good to get some external data. Ask your boss, colleagues, family about how you are (eg: tell me where my communication skills are weak, what am I doing that is so obviously wrong?) and then listen to what they say. They may surprise you? Eg is there a pattern, you are bad at it in some contexts and good in others? What is that about?

From the above and other resources, come up with the list of behaviors that would be an improvement. For example: "I would be better at my job if before I dive into a project, I speak to 3 people who understand the problem space" is probably a non-controversial one.

Then you ask yourself: why does that feel hard? Why am I just reluctant to get up and ask the sales person what the context of the client need is? What is it about "going up to someone I don't know super well and asking them a question" that terrifies me? What do I think would happen if I did this? Would they mock me? Would I feel like an idiot? Would they tell my boss I don't know something I ought to know?

Reflect if the fears are real. Is anyone in the work environment actually going to react the way your fear would suggest?

If intellectually you know that the thing is right and safe, then you force yourself to do it. Hyperventilate at your desk and then suck it up and walk over to the sales guy. Ask them, get the information, have a conversation. Reflect in retrospect: was this a helpful activity, and did I get hurt the way I feared I would?

Keep doing it. Build up the experience/muscle of doing the thing, and prove to your anxiety that it's not a dangerous thing to do. Talk to others who got good at this thing despite being not good at it originally. Find people who are awesome at the thing and study what they do. Become a nerd on the thing that's scaring you and you will likely see it stop being scary.

And I would be remiss not to say that in most cases, our deepest problems (even if they simply manifest in work performance) stem from psychology and childhood experiences. The guy in my story must have had some rough experiences growing up, maybe he was called an idiot or ignored or mocked or whatever, which made it hard for him to be communicative/open later in life, including with his family. Making a little crack in the armor of anxiety through the work process would help, but when something is this deep, seeing someone like a therapist is often helpful as well.

But to rewind, the key thing is to recognize a gap between how you are and how you want to be. You fundamentally have to say to yourself "I don't want to be forever limited by this thing, I don't want to hurt myself and others because of this thing" -- everything else is problem-solving.

Re: What to Learn

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about, and I say this as a long-term martial arts practitioner, the man who has practiced 3 kicks 3300 times each (with one rep to spare)? And I am not saying it provocatively, the one-10000, 10000-one is a straw-man of course, but how many techniques to add to your competition arsenal is not an easy question to answer. As far as I remember, Ono, one of the most successful judokas of the modern era, has maybe uc…

I was a martial arts practitioner for a couple decades, and our answer was "add one at a time". You'd learn the entire system at a basic level, and then practice it all enough to figure out which one technique you wanted to be the strength in your personal flavor of the style. So you'd level that one technique up from just being able to do it, to knowing when and how to apply it to many different situations. Once it…

Competition time is 10 years max at the very high level with the usual few exceptions, and sometimes what was working stops to work, either due to injury, changes in weight or power, or competitors "figuring you out". For example, Riner was so physically dominant that as soon as he had the grip, it was flight time. Maybe he had a sasae too, I don't remember. Most players play "opposite" techniques, for example osoto-sasae is a classic one in judo.

For lower level/amateurs/"lifers" the math change, but at that level it is a bit more (or a lot more) about having fun, not destroy one's body and other concerns not related to high-level competitions, so more techniques can bee added to the arsenal.

I bounce between specialization and breadth because on the one hand, I want to "win" also in practice, on the other hand "win" what exactly?

Re: What to Learn

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>For example, this analysis of world-class judo players found that most rely on a small handful of throws, concluding1 >Judo is a game of specialization. You have to use the skills that work best for you. You have to stick to what works and practice your skills until they become automatic responses. >If you watch an anime or a TV series "about" fighting, people often improve by increasing the number of techniques the…

What about, and I say this as a long-term martial arts practitioner, the man who has practiced 3 kicks 3300 times each (with one rep to spare)? And I am not saying it provocatively, the one-10000, 10000-one is a straw-man of course, but how many techniques to add to your competition arsenal is not an easy question to answer. As far as I remember, Ono, one of the most successful judokas of the modern era, has maybe uc…

An "uchi-mata" or "ankle pick" or whatever ... to that person becomes it's own martial art or "game" as people normally think of it.

There is incredible breadth to discover once you go 1 level deep into something. Every technique worth specializing in will have a multitude of entries/setups, then you need to know how people defend/counter and how to counter that, there could be slight variants that work better against different body types etc ... really staggering amounts of breadth/depth involved in putting someone on their back.

There will also be some breadth provided by general meta concerns of each combat sport like grip/hand fighting, defense, strategy, conditioning etc ...

So even the people who are hyper-specialized still have to know loads of stuff.

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